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Title: Robots?
Post by: littlebadwolf on September 30, 2006, 09:30:36 pm
I noticed that the character are basically supposed to be animal-shaped robots in KNT, a fact that they kind of glossed over in the US version. 

This started to creep me out after a while, because -- where are all the people?  It left visions of Speedy and Bad Bird teaming up to mercilessly slaughter all the actual human beings left on the planet.   :O

"Hey, baby!  Want to kill all the humans..?"


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: felineki on September 30, 2006, 10:18:59 pm
It's one of those things that's just never really addressed because it isn't relevant to the story. Is this just some alternate universe where humans never even existed? Or is it far in the future of our very own planet, long after humanity has gone extinct? Who knows. How the Animaloids came to be and what might have been there before them is largely a mystery. It's fun to speculate about, at any rate. Mechadon has some pretty interesting theories over in this thread (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=1012.0).

I could easily see the Animaloids outliving humanity, even if they weren't the ones actually resposible for humainty's demise. Animaloids are INCREDIBLY resilient (Sukashii barely bats an eye when he takes a tree to the face, Karamaru survives atmospheric re-entry with no long-lasting effects, etc.), so whatever might happen that could kill off humanity might have a much less devastating toll on the Animaloids.

Although there are no traces of humans in KNT (except for the gag when the narrator gets banished and we see his (photographic human) face, which is kind of a 4th wall-breaking thing, so I don't think it counts), there still seem to be plenty of other traditional organic animals about. A few times we also see wild animals that appear to be mechanical or semi-mechanical much like the Animaloids themselves. Wonder how they came about?


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: KyoZaber on September 30, 2006, 11:36:14 pm
Sometimes it's best to just let the world of fantasy run it's course and not ask too many questions.  ;)

However, I just look at it as it's own world.
How'd they come into being? *Shrugs* They just did. While we know that they're made of metal and such, we don't really know what fully makes an Animaloid tick. They evidently have something that makes them living beings. Normal metal doesn't heal itself, nor does a regular robot require actual food.

I'm amazed by them. In some ways they're so alike, and in others they're so different.
Many questions come to mind that I wish I could have answers for.

Oh well... Yay theories!


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Daisensei on October 01, 2006, 12:04:59 am
In the KNT46 -  Toki wo kakeru Nyankii episode (or SPC45 - Samurai Savings Time) one can see in the final part, :bigcheese: & :badbird: being chased by a mechanical dino, but the question about if they are in the past or future is left open. In the SPC it's stated that they warped to the past.
If we took the assumption that mechanical dinos existed in the KNT/SPC past, probably humans and organic life forms never existed in such universe.  Therefore I think the series as being located in a alternate universe, where there are no humans.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: littlebadwolf on October 01, 2006, 12:17:21 am
Yeah, I noticed that too.  It probably isn't supposed to make sense, but I thought it was kind of funny.  But it is a funny question to think about.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Violet on October 01, 2006, 10:56:19 pm
I think it's just that the creators of the show liked drawing animal characters and mecha, and to quote the MST3K theme song:

"If you're wondering how
they eat and breathe,
and other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself,
'it's just a show,
I should really just relax!'"


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: NPC on October 04, 2006, 05:03:20 pm
I think it's just that the creators of the show liked drawing animal characters and mecha, and to quote the MST3K theme song:

"If you're wondering how
they eat and breathe,
and other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself,
'it's just a show,
I should really just relax!'"

CORRECT! :D

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(except for the gag when the narrator gets banished and we see his (photographic human) face

Which episode was this?  ?:|


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: felineki on October 04, 2006, 05:21:32 pm
Judging by my screenshots folder, it was in KNT47 "Deta! Nise Kyanki". Haven't watched the SPC equivalent ("Phoney Baloney Cats") recently, so I'm not sure if it remained or not.

Here's a screenshot:
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/felineki/KNTscreens/snapshot20060915200750.jpg)


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Violet on October 04, 2006, 11:04:35 pm
Judging by my screenshots folder, it was in KNT47 "Deta! Nise Kyanki". Haven't watched the SPC equivalent ("Phoney Baloney Cats") recently, so I'm not sure if it remained or not.

How timely for me!  I was just working on a newsletter article about humans appearing in the show, and I completely forgot about this one.
The SPC narrator got off with just a warning


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: cartoonking10749 on October 04, 2006, 11:58:16 pm
Since we're on the subject of human presence in Edoropolis/Little Tokyo.
There was an appearance of a human Santa Claus at the end of "The Cheese that stole Christmas".
He was watching the world through a portal/mirror of some kind without actually being there. Like in some different dimension to the SPC.
Was that shown in the KNT version?


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: felineki on October 05, 2006, 02:31:03 pm
Cool, glad I was able to help you remember that, Vi.

Santa does show up at the end of the KNT version of that episode, but I don't remember any of the details, it's been a while since I watched that one.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: D-Mac on October 05, 2006, 08:54:06 pm
I was weirded out by the moment from Destructo Robots at Popular Prices, during the scene with :cannonball: snooping around under the bridge.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c254/dm_double/SPC_Sunglasses_Jones.jpg)

I call him Sunglasses Jones.  8)


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Mechadon on October 06, 2006, 12:03:03 am
Dude! Is that Platypus checking out that girl's ass?  :O


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Daisensei on October 08, 2006, 10:19:00 pm
Since we're on the subject of human presence in Edoropolis/Little Tokyo.
There was an appearance of a human Santa Claus at the end of "The Cheese that stole Christmas".
He was watching the world through a portal/mirror of some kind without actually being there. Like in some different dimension to the SPC.
Was that shown in the KNT version?
The picture below was taken from the KNT episode, but there wasn't nothing that resembles a portal or mirror for looking into. In the Japanese version, Santa Claus says that he didn't have any appearence in the show, but anyway wishes a good Christmas ("medetashi").


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: littlebadwolf on October 09, 2006, 02:30:31 pm
I guess Santa can still deliver presents to the animaloids.  Even after they've mercileslly slaughtered all the actual humans left on the planet, they're still on the "Nice" list.  Except for Big Cheese, of course.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Blackcat on October 11, 2006, 07:21:36 pm
I guess Santa can still deliver presents to the animaloids.  Even after they've mercileslly slaughtered all the actual humans left on the planet, they're still on the "Nice" list.  Except for Big Cheese, of course.

The humans in the KNT universe are just supposed to be jokes or cameos...

If you ask me, all the humans just died because someone pressed a red button and an Atomic war whipped them from existence.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Daisensei on October 12, 2006, 12:47:07 am
I prefer to believe in animaloids resulting from evolution of mankind. The humans replaced more and more of their body parts by cybernetic devices, until nothing organic are left. They became stronger and gained a longer life. For example, according to Meka Meka Ninpou Hidenchou, :gurulou: is 350 years old.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Mechadon on October 12, 2006, 03:50:20 pm
Hey maybe the Humans in SPC aren't desendents of today's humans. Maybe they're animaloids that chose to alter themsleves to a human form. Assuming animaloids can customize their cybernetic parts, why can't they customize their organic parts genetically?


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: littlebadwolf on October 14, 2006, 09:03:36 pm
I figured Guru Lou was so old because of his life-sustaining magical elixir or whatever, but maybe he just gets regular tune-ups.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Pizzacat on November 02, 2006, 06:45:35 am
Though if you watch the KNT version of "All You Need is Love" or the SPC ep, you may notice amongst the party guests at a table is a wrinkly old human politician  :P


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Pizzacat on November 02, 2006, 06:49:29 am
Aslo I think it best as to not think of humans being involved at all as it seems its all meant to be a stand alone world where humans are just thrown in as a oddity or joke once in awhile, but I find it interesting that in some cases animaloids like Omitsu are more of a walking weapon when compared to the other civilian types, and even the SPC dont have any such built in devices.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: Daisensei on November 02, 2006, 07:28:11 am
I already have thought a theory about the sheep type animaloids like :lucille:. They are the result of darwinian evolution from early herbivorous animals, who were almost defenceless against predators. After long years only the species with some defensive system have survived, originating sheeps with missiles, irascible rabbits, and... uh, ho, it seems madness isn't a good attribute for survival of pandas...  The later may be an error in the evolution, it's not a surprise that they are in extinction.
Anyway, felines are predators, so their bodies are equipped for combat and not for defense. Taking :polly: as example, she got very hard and killing nails.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: SteC on November 03, 2006, 07:09:58 am
Concealed weaponry inside the animaloids. On the outside, they would appear harmless and innocent: however inside their bodies, they would hide something sinister after generations (or maybe centuries?) of ongoing technology, improving on their offensive and defensive mechanisms each passing moment. Maybe that could explain why most of Edoropolis got accidentaly blown to smithereens by :lucille: in the comet escapade.
Could the characters have gotten any stronger as the series progressed?


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: RSJ on November 07, 2006, 09:44:17 pm
>.>

<.<

....
Maybe they're all medabots?
Reploids??

...
'just sayin.  :P


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: NPC on November 08, 2006, 02:58:57 pm
Reploids is actually a similar race, except for the fact that Animaloids are more "organic" than reploids-- they can reproduce ;-) and grow old.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: RSJ on November 08, 2006, 03:14:27 pm
Reploids is actually a similar race, except for the fact that Animaloids are more "organic" than reploids-- they can reproduce ;-) and grow old.
I've recently read someone suggest that the humans from the Megaman Legends series are really reploids from the X and Zero series, only after thousands of years of evolution.

Maybe animaloids fall somewhere in between on the evolutionary scale? I have to say, I've always thought there was a resemblance between Speedy and Megaman. :P


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: NPC on November 08, 2006, 03:26:46 pm
Reploids is actually a similar race, except for the fact that Animaloids are more "organic" than reploids-- they can reproduce ;-) and grow old.
I've recently read someone suggest that the humans from the Megaman Legends series are really reploids from the X and Zero series, only after thousands of years of evolution.

Actually, the humans in MM Legends are not Reploids, they are "new" humans created by the last living Human in exsistance, Master.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: SteC on November 08, 2006, 05:51:16 pm
The Pizza Cats and the other characters in the show can easily slip into different sets of clothes and thanks to the art of 'comedy' and light-heartedness of the series. But in the Megaman X (and even the Zero) series, I just don't find that as possible. Maybe a little complicated than KNT.
For the X series, I always imagined that the core memory which keeps the Reploids alive is located where the brain would have been, and if they wanted to change clothes (say, from battle or work armour their to casual duds), their head would be attached to a different body. That way, the core of a reploid would then control the entire body once the process is done. For those who don't catch my drift, just look at Sigma and the many forms he took in the games when he battles X/Zero/Axl!

I got that theory from all the Megaman fanart I've been seeing a lot while playing the games in case you like to know. :)


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: RSJ on November 08, 2006, 07:06:44 pm
But, X and Zero change clothes all the time! Heads included! (Helmet upgrades...)
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Actually, the humans in MM Legends are not Reploids, they are "new" humans created by the last living Human in exsistance, Master.

Ah, well in that case...
What's a "new human", anyway? XD


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: NPC on November 08, 2006, 07:19:51 pm
Supposedly, the last remaining human (Master, this genius blond dude :P) created reploid-like things, those weird humans that had reddish/brown skin and the Megaman series (of which the MM in Legends is one) and had achieved immortality. He wanted to bring humans back to the Earth (he has this kingdom called "Mother" on the moon, or something) and he did, don't ask me how. However, when he visited them in secret, he realized that the thing he'd created, "Mother," although perfect, lacked joy, anger, love, emotions in general, things that actually made people alive, etc, etc, etc... So he sent this Purifier Model (whose original purpose was to destroy units who had gone "bad") with it's memories erased ina an attempt to deactivate "Mother," since he was incapable of doing so. (The "Reploids" he'd created acted as guardians and caretakers for him, as well as ensuring that "Mother" remained in control of Earth, eliminating portions of Human population whenever it seemed like it would grow too large.)

I often wonder if all the inhabitants of the KNT/SPC world are cyborg type creatures. We only really saw Little Tokyo and Nery York City, but I think it's safe to assume everyone is like that.

It would be neat, though, if there were completely flesh/robotic people.


Title: Re: Robots?
Post by: RSJ on November 08, 2006, 09:45:22 pm
Supposedly, the last remaining human (Master, this genius blond dude :P) created reploid-like things, those weird humans that had reddish/brown skin and the Megaman series (of which the MM in Legends is one) and had achieved immortality. He wanted to bring humans back to the Earth (he has this kingdom called "Mother" on the moon, or something) and he did, don't ask me how. However, when he visited them in secret, he realized that the thing he'd created, "Mother," although perfect, lacked joy, anger, love, emotions in general, things that actually made people alive, etc, etc, etc... So he sent this Purifier Model (whose original purpose was to destroy units who had gone "bad") with it's memories erased ina an attempt to deactivate "Mother," since he was incapable of doing so. (The "Reploids" he'd created acted as guardians and caretakers for him, as well as ensuring that "Mother" remained in control of Earth, eliminating portions of Human population whenever it seemed like it would grow too large.)
?:|

Uhhhhh.
Now I'm beginning to wonder how Saber Marionettes fit into that timeline. XD

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I often wonder if all the inhabitants of the KNT/SPC world are cyborg type creatures. We only really saw Little Tokyo and Nery York City, but I think it's safe to assume everyone is like that.

It would be neat, though, if there were completely flesh/robotic people.
I dunno, I rather like the strange little world the Pizza Cats live in as is. ^^
I mean, if there were normal people walking around, they might accidentally step all over Little Tokyo! XD


Title: Re: More necro-posting!
Post by: Takila on March 16, 2007, 12:53:18 am
In the KNT46 -  Toki wo kakeru Nyankii episode (or SPC45 - Samurai Savings Time) one can see in the final part, :bigcheese: & :badbird: being chased by a mechanical dino, but the question about if they are in the past or future is left open. In the SPC it's stated that they warped to the past.
If we took the assumption that mechanical dinos existed in the KNT/SPC past, probably humans and organic life forms never existed in such universe.  Therefore I think the series as being located in a alternate universe, where there are no humans.

That episode left many things unanswered: how robotic dinosaurs would fit with the KNT time line, or how Bad Bird and Cheese got back in time for the next episode.  I believe that (since TimeMaster® malfunctioned) they were either transported into a holographic museum of sorts relatively close to the present, or were sent to a parallel universe which they managed to escape from.  The whole thing feels like a joke at a meeting with no forethought.

( :badbird: and :bigcheese: s' adventure, and however they fixed TimeMaster would be an interesting fanfic.)

My big question:  If the series is set in a future without people, or any land animal life whatsoever, why are there still trees/flowers/grass/etc.  From an ecological standpoint, what would keep plants from covering the earth completely?

(I realize that there were fish in episode 48, but they are the only exception.)