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It was told several times that KNT and SPC episodes differs considerably. Here you can post about such differences you noted watching both versions of the show.
First time I watched "The big comet capper" wondered why Little Tokyo was devastated (OEDO castle wasn't there, for example) since the comet had been destroyed. After downloading the KNT version from Nyanki Fanatics (http://www.nyanki-fanatics.com/) (thanks Tigriss ;) ), I discovered the truth  8O : :lucille: started to cry because she was happy to see :speedy: alive, so happy that maked her launch a huge missile (I don't know how such big thing fits into her head :D ), and it devastated Edoropolis completely. In SPC version :lucille: simply cries, and then the rest of the scene was cut; this is not as funny as . :/
Besides, I must review my opinion in SPC/KNT Couples (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=69.0) topic. It seems that :lucille: have a special sentiment about :speedy: .

Yeah, when they cut stuff like this it makes the show confusing.

I'm really upset that Speedy kissing Guido on the cheek was cut out, but Speedy kissing the Big Cheese on the mouth was left in? WTF!?  :O

You shoudn't be complaining at all.

Burkey

Well, I guess one should be grateful for the footage Saban left in and the fact that they brought it over to the West. But that doesn't mean we can't complain about cuts/changes that were made to the show.

yea they also cut out quite a bit of fighting scenes, oh well.

And Yattaro with his jetpack he never uses.. What a waste.

Burkey

W (*DOBURU) DETO (Date) wa Kiken ga Ippai!
(A Double Date is Full of Danger!)
*DOBURU in Japanese can be W or Double, hence the pun

The double date episode, haven’t seen it yet, but maybe the love letter that was destined to Lucille fell in Polly hands, instead of the pizza order. I think that could explain the double date thing^_-.

I cant wait for this episode to be uploaded^_-


PS: My dog died yesterday-_-, rest in peace Sleepy (that was the dog name)

Aww, I'm sorry to hear that. Quite a shame.  :'(
Maybe start a new thread too share more of your in-depth feelings on that though. No real reason to just tack it on to most of the posts you've made lately, as adding to it will bring threads off-topic.

Actually, Omitsu ( :lucille: ) invites Yattarou ( :speedy: ) to a date; needless to say that he accepts immediately. When Yattarou returns to the pizza shop, he realizes that have promised to go shopping with Pururun ( :polly: ) at same day of dating with Omitsu. He ponders on the wish to date Omitsu, against the fear of the consequences of breaking his promise with Pururun. Speedy then get a very crap idea: dating both girls at same time. I'll stop here now, to not be a spoiler, but recommend you to watch the episode, it's very funny.
I haven't watched SPC version of this episode for comparing, but I guess to have a lot of differences.
By the way, I have removed this episode (KNT 19) from my anon FTP server to save diskspace, but I can upload it again, if you didn't get this episodes yet.

Just shopping? By the look on Polly face I thought it was more^_-. She is nice with Yattarou on that episode, and she even has that read blush on her face for a moment.

You have a FTP server of KNT episodes?

Yeah he has a few on his FTP, but limited room. Can't fit 'em all. I started it off uploading the ones that Vi had more recently acquired on P2P.

Yes, Kuroneko-san, I have a small anon FTP server where SPC/KNT episodes are distributed, you can learn more in the following thread:
http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=218.0 (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=218.0)

I'll put the KNT 19 episode there, perhaps tomorrow.  EDIT: done, get the episode now!  ;)

KNT 37 - "Masaka?! Yattarou yuuhi ni shisu" and KNT 38 - "Taose Karamaru! Namida, namida no daifukkatsu" X SPC 37(36) and 38(37) - Bad Bird Uncaged, Parts 1&2
In these episodes :speedy: confronts :badbird: , but SPC and KNT versions differs considerably.
In the KNT episodes Yattarou is defeated, and Karamaru finish him with bazooka blast (or at least everybody thinks that Yattarou was killed). There is a scence where Sukashii, Pururun and Otama cries for the death of Yattarou. However Yattarou have hided himself, instant before the final attack of Karamaru; afterwards, he leaves Edoropolis to seek for the help of :gurulou: . The rest of members of Nyankii thinks Yattarou's dead, until his returns. The title of the first part already suggest death of the main character: "Is it true? Yattarou deads in sunny day".
Watching SPC episodes, one don't find any clue of Speedy being killed by Bad Bird. It was showed Speedy being defeated, but the final attack of Bad Bird was completely cut. Guido, Polly and Francine cries not for the death of Speedy, but for the defeat of Nyankii.
I wonder if the writers of SPC scripts have thought the suggestion of death of Speedy could be too shocking to the audience.

that would make sense. Saban obviously believed that an actual, or false, death scene would have been way too creepy for the younger kids.

Pssh, everyone knows the hero can't die. That's crazy talk!

SPC > KNT

Burkey

KNT:
Uncut version of SPC
Bad ratings during the 2 seasons

SPC:
Popular worldwide
Silly Dialogue
Now Abandoned since Disney bought Saban for ONLY Power Rangers & Digimon

The #03 episode starts with :speedy: and :guido: battling who'd arrive first at :lucille:'s tea shop, to just find it closed. The board fixed at door of shop is different between KNT and SPC, as can be seen in the picture below. In the Japanese (KNT) version it's written "we're closed for holiday"; otherwise, in English (SPC) version... well... see by yourself! The team responsible to translating KNT have done some image editing, it seems.
Now a doubt obscures my mind, was Photoshop available at early 1990's? Or have they used M$ Paintbrush?  ?:| Alternatively, they could done a hand work, with a (real) paintbrush and ink.  :O

What jetpack?, and which on is Yattaro?

Yattaro = :speedy:
In the KNT opening, he's using his jetpack when fighting :badbird: (Karamaru).

It's a popular theory that I just made up that the Jet Pack exploded after they filmed that scene  :O ... Which is why we never see it used ever again.  ;)

Note: I'm fibbing. I can't back that up. ^^;

Bad Kyo! Bad!

Burkey

I must have missed that part. Speedy liked Luciel (spell?), and Polly it seemed, but, I didn't see any male kissing. So, does that make him bi or something?

It was in KNT's version of Gender Bender Butterflies, when a butterfly landed on Speedy and turned him "feminine".
Take that however you wish. :P

I never saw Gender Bender Butterflies.

The KNT (Japanese) version of Gender Bender Butterflies is KNT 25 - Kawaî? Yattarô onna ni naru, available at Supersonic's FTP (http://knt.shin-getter.net).

The episode where :speedy: kisses :bigcheese: is Let the Cellar Beware or its KNT counterpart, if my memory isn't betraying me.

EDIT: sorry, the tile of KNT 25 was wrong.

Just look the scene when the Nyankee is trapped in the barrels and Yattarô makes OmiChan gets mad... She looks so cuuuuuuuuuute!!!!

Okay, okay.
I just finished watching episode 1 of KNT, and I actually like the American cartoon better.  Most of the time, I find US-dubbing and modification crap (as evident in G Gundam), but I REALLY like SPC better.  Then again, I saw the series originally as SPC, but I found SPC to be much funnier.

Although I did find it funny when Ko'on-no-Kami-sama called Wanko-no-Kami a homo (how ironic, because I'm a huge supporter of gay rights).

It's also ironic considering Ko'on-no-Kami is the cross dressing freak.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake Kunimasa.

Isn't Wanko-no-Kami Big Al?

I like both, but I do think SPC is funnier than KNT.  It doesn't take itself seriously, doesn't worry about making sense, its all just goofy and fun.

Totally!

SPC is what I remember fondly, KNT is a newer interest. Getting back into SPC/KNT did get me more interested in anime.

Having now watched the subtitled version of the first episode (thanks to Daisensei, Tigriss & co), I think some of the differences have abundantly made themselves clear.

1.  KNT is a light-hearted action-adventure; Samurai Pizza Cats is a comedy.  While KNT has its share of sight gags and the occasional quip, it takes the action portions of the show very seriously, and some characters, like Big Al and Bad Bird, are almost wooden in comparison with their English counterparts.  It's clear that the show uses a lot of stock footage, but while KNT seems to gloss over the fact, Samurai Pizza Cats revels in it, and shoves it in the viewers' faces.

The gags are far more rapid-fire in the English version.  In the first episode, Big Al says that the fate of Edoropolis is in Nyanki's hands now, or something to that effect, in the Japanese version, while in English, he wonders if he should have ordered some food from the Pizza Cats, since he was already talking to them.  Or, another example, Guido calling out the name of his attack in the original version compared to, "Hey, guys, remember the 60's?" when twirling his umbrella.

2.  The narrator.  The Japanese narrator simply exists to fill in the gaps in the story, or occasionally explain what's happening to the audience.  By comparison, Terrence Scammell's English narrator becomes more involved with the plot, to the point where he's having conversations and arguments with the heroes and villains.  In Samurai Pizza Cats, the narrator is himself a character in the program.  Not to mention the fact that he has a lot more lines in general, something that's easy to do when the "character" doesn't ever have to be on-screen.

3.  Puns.  In a lot of ways, Samurai Pizza Cats is a more faithful adaptation than a lot of Japanese-to-English translations.  Why?  Simply because the puns are actual puns in our language.  Instead of a direct translation of the Japanese double entendres, which, in many cases, renders them somewhat humorless, the writers gave the characters names which are funny in English, like Polly Esther and Jerry Atrick.  This is truer to the spirit of the original rather than the content, but it's still an interesting difference, especially when compared to some of the Japanese names (Yattaro, Pururun Nyan, etc.).

...Maybe I'll think of some more later.

Is that the Narrator's voice actor?

Definitely can't blame them for changing the names. The idea with SPC wasn't being technically accurate to the original but preserving and adding humor. Otherwise it would have been lost in translation. Thanks for the creativity, SPC writers.
I still want to see all the KNT episodes translated, though. Unlike when I was a younger (like 12) or not really an anime-style fan (rather a cartoons in general fan), the original dialogue of KNT might now interest me. I didn't really get into anime until after rediscovering SPC and it's Japanese counterpart.
My only pizza cats shirt is of the front cover of the KNT BGM CD. Wearing it right now. :)

That's my favorite funny quote of KNT, the "bad bad." I laughed so hard the first time I heard that. One of my screenames is bbyab808 which equals badbadyouarebad808

The narrator still does interact with the cast in KNT, although not nearly as much as in SPC.
Bad! BAD! You are BAD!
(Sorry, couldn't help myself. If you've seen the KNT version of Mission to Manhattan, you'll understand :D)

From what I understand, Terrence Scammell played the narrator, Guido, Jerry, and Emperor Fred.  I think that's why he's listed first in the credits.

What I like about the localization is that they changed so much that we basically have two different shows, here. 

Terrence Scammell did...
Guido Anchovie, The Narrator, Jerry Atrick, Bat Cat, Emporer Fred Tokugawa, Cannonball Battalay, and Cosmo

Plus some other minor roles that I might have missed.

(http://www.mensour.ca/images/Scammell.JPG)

He is the most awesome of the voice actors IMO.

Wow!  Even more than I thought!

SPC: The KNT parody!

That says all-_0

He looks like David Hasselhoff.

I would have said Andrew McCarthy, or maybe Jason Gray-Stanford from "Monk."   ?:|

A barrage of questions from yours' truly:

Are Yattarou/Pururun/Sukashii all from the same clan of ninja?  If so, is that name ever mentioned?

What position in the Ninja crow clan do Gennarisai, Karamaru and the members of the Dark Quartet (tell me if I'm saying this right) each hold?

(More of a musing than a question)  Why didn't Samurai Savings Time/Toki wo Kakeru Nyankii feature the past versions of the cats?  Were they elsewhere at the time, or had they not been 'born' yet?

What's going on in  Uso! Shogun-sama wa Nisemono!? (episode 15)?  What was the reasoning behind the baloons?

Is the ninja crow with the pickle in Ponpoko Tanuki de Oosawagi (Episode 20)  really just doing an impression of Karamaru?

(Back to questions)  Is there any background information on the Rescue team?

Is there a back-story on any of the swords which the main cats use?

What does Daisensei study? What brands of knowledge does he posses?  (Ed. note:  NOT chemistry!  The other Daisensei.)

What did the Great warrior tell both Yattarou/ Karamaru on the bridge of the Nyagokingu?

and...

HOW did  Karamaru end up with a fully functional Ginzu-like sword? 

Basically, I'm doing all this before I formulate my own thoughts on the past, present, and future of the KNT/SPC series.  I appreciate whatever responses this gets.

Teyandee Daijiten mentions a cat ninja clan in the entry for Nekomyoujin-sama (http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~zumi-fox/teyande/dic/dic-n.htm#nekomyo) (the deity represented by the giant cat statue on Mt. Nekofuji). That's the only thing I can recall on the subject.

I assume "Nyanki Ninja".


Gennarisai is obviously the leader.  Karamaru seems to be the top ninja (as far as the ones who actually fight) I guess you could say he's the field commander.  The Dark Quartet seem to be independant, but work either for hire or out of some allegance to Gennarisai.


They are younger than Wanko or Koon, so they probably weren't born yet or were too young to be invovled.  Although they are robots/mecha/whatever, they do age, otherwise Wanko and Koon would have looked the same then.


That's episode 16 in KNT.  The balloons had a design on them that sort of like and "evil eye" and is supposed to scare crows according to folklore.


Yes, because of the crest on Karamaru's green helmet.  There may have also been a Japanese pun involved, I haven't tried to translate what he says.


I don't know.


You mean his own sword or the fake Masamasa (Ginzu)?

His own, at the season finale.  That finisher seemed to come out of nowhere.

All anime ninja have "Ninpo" (Ninja Magic, the KNT game even shows your Nimpo Level.)  Although the swords may be special and have certian powers, I assume most of the power of the special attacks comes from the person holding it.

The Dark Quartet WAS (before being patheticaly defeated by Nyankii) the most feared ninjas from the land of Karakara clan (it seems their land is located somewhere outside Edoropolis city). They are called by Gennarisai to annihilate Nyankii.
The time of this episode was set 15 years in the past, so if we assume that Nyankii are now about 20 years old, they all were children. Pity the  cats of the past have not been shown, 5-7 years old Pururun must be very cute.  :-*

The few things mentioned in 'Meka meka ninpou hidenchou' is that each of them run a branch of the Pizzacats.
None that I knew of.
Oh, yes, Nekomata Sensei, not Matsumoto Sensei. :gurulou: It was never mentioned in the series, but he works with mechanics, cybernetics and chemistry (when they made a kind of elixir)... actually he isn't bright in any of these fields.

Ah... I had watched the series finale before all the other eps and I was wondering where the heck the extra Ginzu came from.  ?:|

Thank  you for both of your responses, Daisensei and Violet.



From what the translated first episode says, Yattarou's sword (possibly Purunrun and Sukashii's as well) is under some sort of magical seal which only lifts itself when the user becomes excessively righteous.  Given the wording of the translation, I assumed that the sword was a source rather than an instrument of power.

As for the Rescue team:  Are they members of the Nyanki Ninja, or contracted out like the Dark Quartet?  Do they have a history before working at the other Pizza Cat restaurants, or are they minor characters that fill a story requirement? 

Also, in Gyakuten! Nyankii Sora wo Tobu (The Pizza Cats are only Human: Part 2), what is the significance of the golden beanie that Daisensei found?  Is there a Japanese pun, or does it serve the same purpose as it's SPC counterpart?

How did Daisensei live to be 350?  Why is he immune to old age?  (It probably isn't due to his amazing knowledge of mechanics, cybernetics OR chemistry, but I'll not put it past him.)

Is the Comet in the finale one out of Japanese folklore, or one known worldwide?

Now that I think of it, is Karamaru's sword ever given a name?  Or any of the weapons of the Dark Quartet?

KNT is a mild fantasy action-oriented anime series. It contains tons of japanese puns and jokes that may not be suitable for western audiences (unless you like japanese anime better). However, it's action portions are taken more seriously and there are no jokes when it comes to that. It also has a old-fashion japanese setting with a castle or head building and a few locals who act as typical citizens (like the show Naruto).  It's more of your typical shonen or shojou anime shows where you have a main character with a ditzy personality but a strong sense of justice who, along side his/her allies, saves the city/world from those with selfesh desires.

SPC is a humor-based show with action (kind of like the original TMNT series). However, unlike the original, the series doesn't take itself seriously. There are more puns than action but there is plenty of fighting portions. But even during those times, the characters are too obsessed with what's on their minds or how long the episodes are, often waiting for a commercial break. It's more like your typical Saturday morning cartoons like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs, with wacky humor and sarcastic characters (I'm talking to you, Buster Bunny, Yakko Warner , Speedy Cerviche, and Narrator). All 3 cats seem to be the focus of the series, while in KNT, Yattarou is the main character.

That was the flight mechanism that he had actually made, and was planning to give to them. Of course, when Nyagoking gets released, he decides to take credit for it instead.
It's called "Harahorohireharee Comet" and it passes by every 75 years, so I'd assume it's based on Halley's comet.

B.J., I don't quite agree with your statement on KNT. It doesn't take itself seriously, It's full of all sorts of self-parody.

No, I meant SPC doesn't take itself seriously. I do believe that KNT has a few jokes here and there, but so far from what I've seen, KNT is a more serious (yet still lighthearted) show. So far, the only time I've seen KNT joke more than fight is the KNT manga. Sorry, I not very good at explaining things well. :-[

I've actually put the SPC episode 9 and the corresponding KNT episode up side by side, synced them up, etc. I'll probably upload it to my Youtube account one of these days.

One very interesting thing I've found is that a few of the sound effects from SPC are actually taken from the original KNT episodes.

One more interesting difference:

KNT 36 "Moyase seishun! Mata deta Daisensei"
:gurulou: is giving :francine: his elixir.
(http://keep4u.ru/imgs/s/2009/11/25/06/06b5c73b7bf4a59ff2e9518663300915.jpg) (http://keep4u.ru/full/2009/11/25/06b5c73b7bf4a59ff2e9518663300915/jpg)

Now look at SPC 35 "Youth is for Exploding":
(http://keep4u.ru/imgs/s/2009/11/25/4f/4feed1d961e8533e59b1a9547a215104.jpg) (http://keep4u.ru/full/2009/11/25/4feed1d961e8533e59b1a9547a215104/jpg)

I can`t imagine what was the reason for this mirroring

Huh, interesting. The original KNT version of this episode involved Daisensei groping lots of girls, including Otama during this scene. That was too racy for SPC, so those shots were cut out. I'd have to compare the episodes to be certain (which I can't at the moment, I still need to reinstall the video codecs), but maybe Daisensei's and Francine's positions moved during the shot that was cut, and the following shot of the elixir being force-fed was flipped to maintain continuity?

Bad ratings? How did it happen? How do you know it?

According to this article (http://www.animenation.net/blog/2007/08/02/ask-john-was-samurai-pizza-cats-successful-in-its-time/) which cites Newtype, a major anime magazine, KNT actualy had good ratings during its run.

"I wish I had more information to share about this particular franchise because I know that it still has a small but loyal fan following in America despite having been unavailable in America since the early 1990s. The 1990 anime television series Cats Toninden Teyande lasted through 54 episodes, which isn’t an especially long run, but also is longer than many typical anime television series. I examined my personal collection of old Japanese Newtype magazines to find that throughout the series broadcast from February 1990 to February 1991, its viewer rating ranged from 9% to 13%. For comparison, current anime television series including Ge Ge Ge no Kitaro, Doraemon, and Chibi Maruko-chan earn ratings in the 9-13% range. In other words, if it was broadcast today and earned the same ratings that it earned in 1990, more Japanese viewers would be watching Cats Toninden Teyande than One Piece, Naruto, Yes! Precure 5, or Pocket Monster Diamond & Pearl – all of which earn ratings around 7% or 8%."

More people interested in Teyandee than in One Piece or Naruto. It's amazing know it

Well, Teyandee has a really original concept and few series are similar to them... Even Eto Rangers lacks some of the sarcastic humour of KNT... Naruto and One Piece are generic series and almost everthing in them has already appeared in lots of other series...

The KNT concept hasn't been used so much, the only show that is slighty similar to KNT is Saber Marionette J...

I can't remember exactly which show it was, but at an other anime forum there was this guy which posted his fav characters (I think it was gundam seed) and then you saw these guys in outfits that were very similar to those space outfits from spc, and when I showed a picture from speedy in his space outfit, a lot of people on that forum thought for a 2nd it was a character from that anime. too bad I can't see his post anymore, he deleted it for some reason...

I am starting to realize, that Japan-related references were not the only reason for some scenes to be cut from KNT.
The "suitability for children" was probably the second main reason for the missing scenes.

For example, the following moments were removed from SPC:
1) SPC 01 - "Stop Dragon My Cat Around!"
1.1) Crows on fire:

(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/d/c/thumb/thumb_4395d633.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731817_knt01-1-jpg.html) (http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/d/c/thumb/thumb_24291067.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731818_knt01-2-jpg.html)

1.2) Crows after the "Neko Maneki" impact:
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/c/2/thumb/thumb_29ea084e.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731820_knt01-3-jpg.html) (http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/c/2/thumb/thumb_795c0944.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731821_knt01-4-jpg.html)

2) SPC 03 - "Underground, Underwater, Undercooked"
2.1) Crows after the "Kakimushiri no Jutsu" impact:
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/9/0/thumb/thumb_3805d4d8.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731832_knt03-1-jpg.html) (http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/9/0/thumb/thumb_ca073bb3.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731833_knt03-2-jpg.html)

3) SPC 06 - "Singing Samurai Sensation!"
3.1) A 10 ton weight lands on :polly:'s head
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/7/0/thumb/thumb_3ae36352.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2731860_knt05-1-jpg.html).

But I have to agree - the cutted scenes from KNT01 and 03 are kinda cruel.

That scratched crow would give me nightmares if I'd see it as a kid o___o

Mmm... I can understand why they'd leave out the former three (especially the eyeball scratching.. ouch!), but... why cut out the 10 ton weight? Not to say that it's.. you know.. okay for that to be in there, but I've seen worse or roughly the same kind of things happen with cartoons like Looney Toons and Tom & Jerry.

It's because it's part of a longer pun/gag that was cut. Sukashii and Yattarou are picking on Pururun, Sukashii says that Pururun and Omitsu are polar opposites (literally, "like the moon and a snapping turtle" ("tsuki to suppon")). Cut to reaction shot of Pururun where a moon and a snapping turtle fall on her head. Yattarou picks up the snapping turtle and draws a "bu" on it's shell, then says something about "busuppon" (I don't entirely get the pun here, but it's referring to the word "busu", a rude term meaning an ugly woman). Sukashii retorts "Yattarou, isn't that going a too far?" Pururun looks pleased, thinking that Sukashii's standing up for her. Sukashii then continues "That's completely unfair to the poor snapping turtle!" Cue 10 ton weight.

Ah.. okay. I understand now; thanks for the explanation.

Ouch. That was just asking for it.


Yeah, but it still looks pretty gruesome.

lenses don't normally bleed though.

Thanks for explanation, felineki.

The scene where :polly: slaps :speedy: after he has landed on her tail is removed from SPC06 (Singing Samurai Sensation!):

(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/d/0/thumb/thumb_ed617bac.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2735839_knt06-jpg.html) (http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/d/0/thumb/thumb_e2f5b1b5.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2735840_knt06-1-jpg.html)

We can only guess why it was cut.
Is there is something controversial in girl slapping the boy?
Accidents can happen in the anime and there is nothing strange about it. And :polly: had to react somehow as her tail was stepped on.
Did they think that just yelling is enough for the reaction? I think no.

They could, however, not wanted the red "slap sign" to be left on :speedy:`s face - it is a comedy after all.

The slap mark was certainly not the reason. It is comedic too, and SPC had several scenes (crashes etc.) that left Speedy with almost his whole face red with no problem.
I don't think it has to do anything with girl->boy slapping either. It could be controversial if it was the other way around, but this is nothing out of ordinary.
Probably the scene was just considered unnecessary and cut to fit the episode in the 20 minutes time slot.
I have no idea.

It still looks like an actual organic eye (and probably is).
You can see the popped veins all around. The crow's pain scream doesn't help either.
It also took me a while to realize the crow has pupils. It's even more gruesome if you don't see them.

What did the five fingers say to the face?

They are four fingers...

I meant to reply to your post earlier, Teyandee, but I forgot. Who can tell how the mind of a censor works sometimes? Keep in mind that when the show was edited even further in the US, sometimes the very WORD "violence" was removed or replaced. Crazy, huh? My best guess for the slap is that this was an earlier episode (correct me if I'm wrong) and they didn't yet know how bad Polly's temper was or that she sometimes would go even further and take a pan to the head of her co-workers, and they wanted to cut instances of the heroes being hostile to one another. Because, you know, friends never fight in real life. The red mark left on Yattarou's face was probably also taken into consideration, maybe they thought it looked too severe.

I think everything that is not appropriate for kids may be considered for the removal.

In KNT the slap scene appear first: KNT05, and then KNT 06 - :polly: used the pan.

In SPC it is vice versa: 
SPC05 - :speedy: and :guido: (twice) were hit by :polly:`s frying pan.
SPC06 - Slapping scene removed.

Maybe, when someone is being hit by a pan was considered "funnier" than being slapped?

Indeed. Then I suppose that "only one scratching mark" scene is not so inappropriate for the kids.

This one is not scary, Harm.
The first one had the crow's face deformed and all scratched up, mostly the eyes which are full of visible blood vessels and at first sight feature no pupils.

One I found that surprised me quite a bit was that in the KNT version of Badbird Uncaged, Badbird's flute/pipe weapon which can be seen in both KNT and SPC as transforming into a bazooka, what was left out of SPC though was the fact that it could transform into a full on bullet spewing machine gun!, which Bad Bird used to pepper Guido's samurai sunspot umbrella full of holes and render it useless when Guido and Polly fought him, he also was shooting it randomly all over the place when he was causing general panic all over the city and finally he used it against Speedy in their big public duel.

Daisensei has noticed (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=155.msg4654#msg4654) this "cut"  :)

I agree with ApacheMan2K:
Plus - one thing is to get the flute transformed into a machine gun, but making it a bazooka is hardly to explain (for the kid cartoons, not anime like KNT).

Things got so waterdown after the eighties, cartoons in the eighties wherr way more violent that SPC, how fair is that people that grew with those cartoons forbids their kids to watch violence? That does not really solve things, I could explain why, but I would need to get in some details that ironicaly would make this forum less kid friendly.

2 scenes was cut from KNT 24 Rereh Koon-no-kami ni kodomo: (Samurai Pizza Cats 23 - Son of Big Cheese)

1) A child who "wetted" the floor:
(http://ib1.keep4u.ru/s/2011/06/26/01/01c5570200d563a2f133e127247e1de6.jpg) (http://keep4u.ru/full/01c5570200d563a2f133e127247e1de6.html)

2) :bigcheese: changing the baby`s diaper:
(http://ib1.keep4u.ru/s/2011/06/26/3f/3f3b93ab4fb4404f5f512333e04a1332.jpg) (http://keep4u.ru/full/3f3b93ab4fb4404f5f512333e04a1332.html).

I think the second one could be a good lesson how to take care of a baby. Maybe the children are not yet prepared to learn this.

Are you sure?? I remember lots of 80's cartoons being awesome and action packed in the opening sequence and becoming dull and kinda dissapointing in the actual show... The cartoons started to show a backbone in the 90's when they finally stopped doing those advice sections that we had on He-Man, She-Ra, SuperFriends, Popeye, GIJoe and other cartoons... Even Dexter's Laboratory showed blood in some episodes...

Wait, what??!?!?
I watched dexter all the time when I was 6 and 5, and there was bloodin it?!?!
And I never noticed....

The diaper change is on the French DVD.

I cut it because:

1. there was no audio for it.
2. it was 2 seconds of video i hadn't seen on any english version
3. the 'meanwhile in the council chamber' bit after the advert break was snipped from the dvd, as it didn't have the shot with the princess before the fred said his name, so had to be added.
4. it made my episode 21.02 instead of 21.00 so would not do.

We there any more such cuts? I am only asking to separate what was cut by censore (while dubbing) and while encoding.

none so far. ep 23 has been the only episode i've had to cut 1 scene from.

Ok. Thanks for the explanation.

About the way cartoons are changing since the 80s, let's consider something a little different, but not much: The Dark Crystal. It's a Jim Henson muppet movie, but not at all like "The Muppet Show" muppets. In Holland rated as appropriate for children 6 years and older.
There's a death scene in it, quite soon in the movie. You see a very "old" muppet literally gasping his last breath, upon which he fall back on bed and begins to crumble. Well, I hear you think, how scary is that; they're muppets after all.
Have a look-see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVIrGONcCu4

I truly doubt the MPAA's politbureau would rate it lower than 10 or so. And then I'm not even talking about the death scene, just the look of the muppets. Could be wrong though as I don't live in the USA.

Btw it's a great movie. It has its share of problems, like being a little slow some gaping plot holes, but the rest really makes up for it. We might see what the MPAA makes of it when Power of the Dark Crystal comes out, if ever.

Cartoons seemed to start consolidating in the 90s, plot wise. It all seems so standardized. The jokes that'd go over the kid's heads disappeared, only to come back in the new millennium, and only in movies, and probably only because there was a new animation studio in town.
And the crummy advise sections at the end.. I suppose someone got it through that it was a joke. Everybody thought so. We made fun of it, parents made fun of it, everyone..
Hacking and slashing in a loincloth and then, with the mandatory pointed finger, telling the children to remember to floss is ridiculous.
Same goes for hacking and slashing, killing who knows how many and then, again mandatorily at the end of the show telling a crummy joke, the show ending with a "whoh hoh hoh hoh hoh" of the whole gang is equally ridiculous. Glad they cut those too.

EDIT: the Nostalgia Critic did an interview with the creators of Animaniacs in which the topic is also discussed, and how the creators tried to fool the rating office: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/27685-nccommentary-animaniacstribute (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/27685-nccommentary-animaniacstribute). However, this is starting to get off topic.