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Title: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on July 15, 2005, 10:14:37 pm
I don't know about you, but there are SPC shadows within the media. I meant by certain qualities associated with SPC files themselves into modern media. Here are some examples:
Puffy Ami Yumi- The two girl japanese band, popular in America resembles the Pointless Sisters :polly: :lucille:

Power Rangers- Average folk powered up in new suits, powers,weapons etc with monster of the week just like the daily routine of SPC, also having a goliath fighting (MegaZord-like) robot.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: ApacheMan2K on July 15, 2005, 10:46:32 pm
Puffy AmiYumi = cheap imitation. what more can i say?


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Marurun on July 15, 2005, 11:33:49 pm
Power Rangers- Average folk powered up in new suits, powers,weapons etc with monster of the week just like the daily routine of SPC, also having a goliath fighting (MegaZord-like) robot.
Power Rangers was made in the 70's though. Wouldn't that make SPC the shadow?  ?:|


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on July 16, 2005, 03:23:39 am
Maybe. In Japan, Power Rangers or Sentai Task Force were before SPC. But then any media hype before and after SPC is accepted. Thanks for pointing out anyway.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: D-Mac on July 17, 2005, 06:31:39 am
I believe Master Mew 007 once pointed out how many ideas the Pokémon anime takes from SPC.

- 3 main protagonists, including your "somewhat stupid" male lead hero, a second male who thinks he's God's gift to women, and the female who often beats the living daylights out of both males, and is in love with the "stupid hero".

- 3 Likable lead villians, whose "Evil Robot of Week" tactics always fail miserably.


Edited, due to mixing up words with words that are different words.  @_@


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on July 17, 2005, 09:22:44 am
I don't know about you, but there are SPC shadows within the media. I meant by certain qualities associated with SPC files themselves into modern media. Here are some examples:
Puffy Ami Yumi- The two girl japanese band, popular in America resembles the Pointless Sisters :polly: :lucille:

Power Rangers- Average folk powered up in new suits, powers,weapons etc with monster of the week just like the daily routine of SPC, also having a goliath fighting (MegaZord-like) robot.


Puffy Ami Yumi? You are too young, aren't you?  :D In my childhood (in the 70's) Pink Lady were the aidorus (idols) in the Japan, click here (http://www.pinkladyamerica.com/) to see them.

Power Rangers? I used to read the adventures of Go Ranger in Japanese mangas, click here (http://members.fortunecity.com/jillun/sentai/goranger.html) to learn more. Unfortunately the TV show was not aired in Brazil.   :(  Nevertheless when I was kid I had played performing Go Ranger with my friends.

Yeah, I'm old, :jerry: I must admit it. 


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: SCerviche on July 17, 2005, 10:27:07 am
i never understood how putting on spandex and plastic helmets made the power rangers stronger ?:|

ahh the good old days.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Marurun on July 17, 2005, 04:14:58 pm
I believe Master Mew 007 once pointed out how many ideas the Pokémon anime takes from SPC.

- 3 main antagonists, including your "somewhat stupid" male lead hero, a second male who thinks he's God's gift to women, and the female who often beats the living daylights out of both males, and is in love with the "stupid hero".

- 3 Likable lead villians, whose "Evil Robot of Week" tactics always fail miserably.

Aren't a lot of animes like that though?


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: adam808 on July 17, 2005, 09:17:29 pm
Also, maybe a lot of anime has similarities because the creators want to keep up with recognizable conventions...


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Violet on July 18, 2005, 05:37:06 am
Power Rangers was made in the 70's though. Wouldn't that make SPC the shadow?  ?:|

How did you figure that??  But, yes, that type of show is fairly old (but PR isn't that old).  KNT, although it borrows a lot from the traditions of other anime (like giant robots, and transforming heros), is a very unique show in many ways.  The robot-animal characters, the Edo-modern setting, the style of humor, that's not something you'll find else where.

The Pointless Sisters / Lovely Mipple and Puffy Ami Yumi:  "Idol" singers have been a regular thing in Japan for as long as they've had radio.  That's an example of the show working in some Japanese culture and placing it into the Edoropolis setting, something a lot of episodes are based on.  Puffy Ami Yumi just have the advantage of being fairly well know outside of Japan currently because of the Teen Titans theme music.  Probably more well known in Japan are Morning Musume, Double You, Utada Hikaru, Maki Goto, and a pile of others (Men can be idol singers too).    Image is just as important as the music in that business.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Supersonic on July 18, 2005, 05:56:02 am
- 3 main antagonists

Surely you mean "Protagonists"? Antagonists are the villains! :D


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: D-Mac on July 18, 2005, 06:21:32 am
Whoopsie! That was indeed a slip up on my part.  :O


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Marurun on July 18, 2005, 05:00:49 pm
Power Rangers was made in the 70's though. Wouldn't that make SPC the shadow?  ?:|

How did you figure that??  But, yes, that type of show is fairly old (but PR isn't that old)
Whoops! My mistake! I was just thinking of sentai shows in general.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Puutarou on July 23, 2005, 07:38:04 pm
Power Rangers? I used to read the adventures of Go Ranger in Japanese mangas, click here (http://members.fortunecity.com/jillun/sentai/goranger.html) to learn more. Unfortunately the TV show was not aired in Brazil.   :(  Nevertheless when I was kid I had played performing Go Ranger with my friends.

Yeah, I'm old, :jerry: I must admit it. 


Heh, that's cool! I'm a huge Sentai fan! :D


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on July 24, 2005, 11:52:41 am
One important feature of the SPC/KNT series is the anthropomorphic animals. Although the ideia is not new (since Ub Iwerk created the Mickey Mouse in 1930's), it had been carried out brightly in the show.  8)
Another anthropomorphic animal art that I like very much is the work of Eric Schwartz (http://www.coax.net/people/erics/). He put the home computer's animations in new level and was revolutionary in the early 1990's. I like very much his work due to its quality and for introducing little more adult themes (before him, the anthropomorphic animals arts are intended to childish audience). Nowadays we can find a lot of this kind of the art, or furry art as one says. I must warn you, some furry art site have contents that is not suitable to children.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: SBaby on August 30, 2005, 10:41:58 pm
Puffy Ami Yumi are like the Pointless Sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!  Someone besides me has put 2 and 2 together!! 

Oh, here's another one for you and everyone will agree. 

Powerpuff Girls rips endless stuff from SPC.  First, they have 3 protagonists that constantly bicker with each other.  Second, they have an...  'alternate lifestyle' villain, if you catch my drift.  Third, Mojo Jojo is a direct reference to Mojo Rojo of the Rude Noise from SPC.  Anyone there that can think of anything else?  I'm sure there's more.

Oh, yeah!  The Narrator. 


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Methid Man on September 01, 2005, 08:38:38 pm
Another anthropomorphic animal art that I like very much is the work of Eric Schwartz (http://www.coax.net/people/erics/).

Eric Scwartz is the man. His comic Sabrina Online (http://sabrina-online.com/) is among the best furry webcomics out there. [Warning: may contain sexual content]

-- Sam the Methid Man


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: SBaby on September 09, 2005, 07:28:58 pm
Ed, Edd, and Eddy.

Sarah is like Princess Vi on steroids.

Pokemon.

In the first season, they tried so hard, I have to give them that.  The Narrator actually made a few puns and would do comparisons.  Also, Team Rocket used to mention stunt doubles, and filling a half hour.  Classic SPC references.  After Season 1 they got away from that (coincidentally, the show went downhill in my book after that).


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on September 09, 2005, 08:38:39 pm
FLINT THE TIME DETECTIVE- In a few episodes, villainess Petrafina transforms her time travelling craft into a cat-faced fighting machine with the illustration of a cat bell on torso.

I agree that Pokemon and several anime share some wit and gimmicks from SPC.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on September 10, 2005, 12:51:56 am
FLINT THE TIME DETECTIVE- In a few episodes, villainess Petrafina transforms her time travelling craft into a cat-faced fighting machine with the illustration of a cat bell on torso.

I agree that Pokemon and several anime share some wit and gimmicks from SPC.

Flint... I had almost forgotten this show. It enjoyed me very much years ago, the story is very crazy!

I used to watch Pokemon, but year after year the episodes turned to be repetitive, I feel that the story haven't grown.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on September 17, 2005, 07:47:34 pm
I noticed a Catwoman parody played on Dee-Dee, complete with sultry man-melting voice and vicious whip.
Plus she wears a mask, no helmet.
The most controversial thing about Dee-Dee is that she is based on a erotic model with mask and whip.
Very surprised that the episode she was in was never banned from anywhere, except the U.S.A.
She seems too adult material for an anime made for family viewing.

Plus Sundance's normal outfit is a dead ringer for the hats & panchos worn by Clint Eastwood.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Tigriss on September 18, 2005, 06:03:42 am
I noticed a Catwoman parody played on Dee-Dee, complete with sultry man-melting voice and vicious whip.
Plus she wears a mask, no helmet.
The most controversial thing about Dee-Dee is that she is based on a erotic model with mask and whip.
Very surprised that the episode she was in was never banned from anywhere, except the U.S.A.
She seems too adult material for an anime made for family viewing.

Plus Sundance's normal outfit is a dead ringer for the hats & panchos worn by Clint Eastwood.

She may or may not be based on Catwoman, but c'mon, she's fully dressed and all. So she has a whip and she's "sexy", but hardly too "adult material".


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Violet on September 18, 2005, 12:17:57 pm
The most controversial thing about Dee-Dee is that she is based on a erotic model with mask and whip.
Very surprised that the episode she was in was never banned from anywhere, except the U.S.A.
She seems too adult material for an anime made for family viewing.


She may or may not be based on Catwoman, but c'mon, she's fully dressed and all. So she has a whip and she's "sexy", but hardly too "adult material".

I've said it before, but; isn't strange how it's always the men here who think this or that is "too sexy".  TV and movies would make you think that it's always women are the ones who complain about someone's outfit being "too revealing" or that being sexy is "degrading to women".  (Not saying Cartoon King was complaining, just a general observation.)


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on September 30, 2005, 01:22:52 pm
See what Big Cheese and Muttley have in common. They are baddies, and they fly with tail.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on September 30, 2005, 10:39:36 pm
See what Big Cheese and Muttley have in common. They are baddies, and they fly with tail.

For the flying tails part, just the same can be said for Miles "Tails Prower of Sonic the Hedgehog fame.
Is it possible that flying scene provided an inspiration for the origins of Sega's favourite fox.
Tails was made for Sonic 2 in 1992 and KNT was made two or one year before and they're both foxes.
 


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Methid Man on October 01, 2005, 09:34:01 am
I've said it before, but; isn't strange how it's always the men here who think this or that is "too sexy".  TV and movies would make you think that it's always women are the ones who complain about someone's outfit being "too revealing" or that being sexy is "degrading to women".  (Not saying Cartoon King was complaining, just a general observation.)

Well, most men do actually have a sense of decency contrary to what many women seem to think. =]

-- Sam the Methid Man


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: cartoonking10749 on October 04, 2005, 01:56:12 am

I've said it before, but; isn't strange how it's always the men here who think this or that is "too sexy".  TV and movies would make you think that it's always women are the ones who complain about someone's outfit being "too revealing" or that being sexy is "degrading to women".  (Not saying Cartoon King was complaining, just a general observation.)
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To teel the truth, I was not really complaining. But I sometimes see things differently than from what other can see. I rubbed people the wrong way than I apologise.

Anyway, trio-based friend group anime seem to inherit a lot of Pizza Cat character traits. Pokemon is a fine example that comes to mind. Picture this:
Ash- Fun-loving, courageous, kid-like, Justice believer (traits of Speedy).
Misty- Independent, argues with main hero, vile-tempered, cute, gentle, kind at times (traits of Polly).
Brock-Cool, bit more mature than hero, effective fighter, lovestruck on site (traits of Guido).



Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Violet on October 04, 2005, 04:54:44 am

To teel the truth, I was not really complaining. But I sometimes see things differently than from what other can see. I rubbed people the wrong way than I apologise.


No, you didn't say anything wrong, I was just making a general observation.
Anyway, trio-based friend group anime seem to inherit a lot of Pizza Cat character traits. Pokemon is a fine example that comes to mind. Picture this:
Ash- Fun-loving, courageous, kid-like, Justice believer (traits of Speedy).
Misty- Independent, argues with main hero, vile-tempered, cute, gentle, kind at times (traits of Polly).
Brock-Cool, bit more mature than hero, effective fighter, lovestruck on site (traits of Guido).

That's true.  I don't think it's so much that they copied KNT, but it's probably more that these are "typical" anime characteristics.  Although the combination of the same 3 "types" makes me wonder...


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: The Catatonic on February 03, 2006, 01:16:36 am
If your one of the few people that actually watched the Catwoman movie youd have noticed a SPC refrence.

Would you chase a cat out a window?
Only if it was carrying a Pizza.

A conversation between 2 cops fairly early in that horrid movie. Yes a saw the movie, but I saw it for free.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: The Catatonic on February 03, 2006, 01:19:12 am
Also another one that only you in Canada probably saw, in the christmas episode of Corner Gas theres a "Chew Bot a goat that transforms to a giant robot"  that bears a distinct likness to the cataonic action figure.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on August 25, 2006, 06:00:22 pm
Bringing this almost forgotten topic back to life again.  :D

There are some cartoon characters wich behaves like :guido::
Johnny Bravo, Brock (Pokemon), ...
Poor guys! Always hunting girls, but never being succeded!

Does anyone remember more characters like him?


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: usagisailor on August 25, 2006, 11:04:02 pm
(http://epguides.com/TwoGuysandaGirl/cast.jpg)
Two guys, a girl, and a pizza place.  'Nuff said.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: littlebadwolf on September 03, 2006, 11:45:55 pm
This is from a few posts ago, but I'm pretty sure that Walt Disney was a little involved in the creation of Mickey Mouse, also, although Iwerks probably doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

However, Felix the Cat and Krazy Kat were both around even before then, and in Europe, Japan, and other places, the idea of personifying animals with human or supernatural traits dates back centuries.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: EdK on September 19, 2006, 09:04:06 am
Goerge of the Jungle 2 was on the tv the other day and I noticed the narrator is pretty much exactly the same as the SPC narrator. Not only is the his delivery almost exactly the same, but he keeps referencing the first movie and that Brendon Frasier isn't in this one.

When the new George first appears on screen the narrator pretends to not know who the guy is then says something about the studio not being able to afford Frasier this time. I beleive there's also references to the writers and so forth.

It makes me wonder if the people who made the movie were bg SPC fans, because the resemblance is uncanny.

I'd recomend checking it out. Even though the movie is really bad you don't have to watch the whole thing because you'll see what I'm talking about in the first ten minutes.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Takila on September 20, 2006, 04:00:14 pm
Another SPC refrence:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=9424

No where near the strength of the real sword, though.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: SteC on September 22, 2006, 03:46:51 pm
There are some cartoon characters wich behaves like :guido::
Johnny Bravo, Brock (Pokemon), ...
Poor guys! Always hunting girls, but never being succeded!

Does anyone remember more characters like him?

There sure is! A book that I spent all summer reading has a character that behaves just like Guido: 'Don Quixote', the title character, always attempts to woo beautiful women but he usually fails - all the time. He too wears a helmet like the Pizza Cats, but his helmet completely wears out from many moments of abuse in his misadventures. Just like Polly picking on Speedy and Guido!  ::)

Don Quixote, the deluded Spanish wannabe knight, as shown as a hopeless romantic from time to time. That got me thinking that even Guido could match this description. Sort of, though Guido ain't Spanish nor he ain't a knight!  ?:|


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Daisensei on January 07, 2007, 08:20:00 am
Did you hear about Ultraman and the other heroes of Ultra series? This Japanese TV series was very popular in my childhood, at mid 1970's. Ultraseven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Seven), perhaps the most popular of them, did a brief appearance in the KNT31 - Tsuraize Karamaru! Ninja no koi episode (whose SPC counterpart is All you need is love). Ultraseven is the one at the center.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: felineki on January 07, 2007, 01:27:57 pm
Huh, very interesting observation! I haven't watched any of the Ultraman shows myself, but I have heard about them (mostly because a character in one of my favorite video games has a design that is based on an alien from an episode of Ultraseven).


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: felineki on January 07, 2007, 11:01:28 pm
Sorry to double-post, but I found another Ultraseven reference, in Nyagoking/Catatonic's production drawings.

One of the head drawings has the text "Eye Slugger?" (アイスラッガー?) written on it, with an arrow indicating the "mohawk". The Eye Slugger was one of Ultraseven's weapons, the fin on the top of his head (which can be seen in the screenshot Daisenei posted above) which could be removed and thrown like a boomerang.


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Iván el Terrible on September 27, 2009, 10:31:35 am
Is it me, or Sanji (One Piece) is exactly like  :guido:?


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Blackcat on October 13, 2009, 07:36:48 pm
Is it me, or Sanji (One Piece) is exactly like  :guido:?

 KNT was a parody, so of course they where based on anime stereotypes...

One Piece uses many of those "cliches"...

 A "leader" who is kind of dumb and loves eating (Speedy)
Also the leader becomes more powerful as the series goes on

A girl with brains, and that loves money (Francine)

A character who is "Handsome" and goes after girls... (Guido)

A coward (not seen in KNT, but seen in many other animes)

And so on...

Of course you are going to find many news animes that have characters similar to older animes, thats the way they do stuff in Japan..


Title: Re: SPC and the Media
Post by: Iván el Terrible on December 16, 2009, 06:16:42 pm
Is it me, or Sanji (One Piece) is exactly like  :guido:?
A "leader" who is kind of dumb and loves eating

 :speedy: and Gintoki Sakata (Gintama) are samurais who love eating

Gintama = Kyattou Ninden Teyandee + Rurouni Kenshin