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we're going to look at 2 cute, action packed animals that used to be good, but after a switch of companys, got stale.

first Crash, made in 1996, crash combined 2D with 3D.His 1st 3 games were hits and got a kart racing game, all on the PS1/PSX. Then later universal studios gave crash to sierraon-line (who made point and click adventures, like king's quest(7 point and click games, and 1 3D game), Space quest(6 games), and the 2 phantasmagora games), then crash looked more like a complete 3D game.

Now for spyro, made in 1998, spyro had beautiful graphics, many levels, and an adorable look (even if he did sound like he had a stuffed nose. And a year later was it's sequel, although the graphics were toned down a bit, it was an awesome sequel, and a year later was the 3rd game which had to be the best. Then sierra online took spyro making the games random, and making spyro and sparx (did i mention sierra made sparx talk in full english) uglier, and more Sirius.

So this is a great example on the evils switching companys can do, please leave comments (even if it is "OMG!!!!!! 2 phantasmagora games" or "i wished sierra didn't trash space quest7. Roger Wilco, WHERE ARE YOU >:[") 

No offense, but Spyro had to be changed because the old series was dying out. In fact 4 years ago, Sierra was actually thinking about giving Spyro a retirement. But in 2006, he became a hit again with The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning, which was a reboot game. Heck, you got highly talented movie stars such as Lord of the Ring's Elijah Wood and Harry Potter's Gary Oldman. There are barely (not saying there aren't at all) fans who complain about Spyro since that game. The Eternal Night was good, too. Also, if you look at the new Dawn of the Dragon, that's one of this year's most anticapated games of 2008. I recommend any fan of Spyro to play those games, because I was never a fan of the series until me and my friends saw how good A New Beginning looked. Plus a movie based of The Legend of Spyro in 2009? It's pretty safe to say that Spyro is reviving.

As for Crash, his gameplay really hasn't changed. The just dropped the warp-to-level thing. Personally, I think that was getting really repetitive. He's still collecting crystals and platforming and everyone is still there, so not much is changed about him.

i think crash has changed for the better really, cos look at TwinSanity & Titans...the BIG difference between the last 2 non-racing crash games

while spyro has gotten a bit better, but it cant compete with the crash games

even tho the WORSE crash game has got to be Crash Boom Bang

Well, i liked the old spyro better, he was much cuter then he is today :-* :-* :-*

P.S.: Don't play phantasmagora2, IT'S TERRIBLE >:[ >:[ >:[!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think of it this way, if you like The Legend of Zelda games, you'll like The Legend of Spyro games.

I like zelda because it's original, the spyro games, horrible. :'(

i liked Year of the dragon, cos i used to get good scores on the skateboarding

& on the demo version of that level, i took a load of screenshots & edited them to make them funny

How d'ya come up with that?

I don't think this whole 'killing franchises' thing only applies to Crash and Spyro (which by reading the above posts, seems to be back on track). I think everyone knows be now that Sonic the Hedgehog's going down the same road (Take my advice; if you really want to play any new Sonic games, just stick with the DS games. That's where Sonic's Awesome went).

It's basically all a matter of opinion. Mind you, the thing about communities, games or otherwise, these days is that if you have a different opinion towards something which is generally loved, you're ostracized and bullied into non-existence. Take Naruto for example. I absolutely loathe that show, yet whenever I say that to anyone, I get a verbal kick in the teeth. And I'm practically the only Sonic fan in the world who isn't looking forward to Sonic Unleashed (I'm drooling buckets over Sonic Chronicles, though). In fact, more than once in the past, I've been banned and/or chased out of sites and forums such as Sonic Stadium and Mystical Forest Zone just because I thought that Sonic 06 was gonna flop (and was still ridiculed when it DID flop) and that I hated Sonic and the Secret Rings. And I bet TGL a Polly Point that Pizza Zero is gonna flame me for calling Zelda 'unoriginal' just now. Not to mention that these days, you can get killed for being different.

I still haven't played Sonic 06, but being the fan I am, I can deal with glitches and long loading times. And FINALLY, someone else who hates Sonic and the Secret Rings (the ONLY recent Sonic game that sucks, imo). How bad was Sonic 06 and how come you're not looking forward to Unleashed?

Well, in regards to Sonic 06, I've only played the XBox Live Arcade Demo, but even then did I see what was so bad about it (apparently, the demo plays no different to the final version). For one, Sonic was quite slow and kept sliding uncontrollably whenever he does his Somersault. Not only that, but jumping and Spin-Dashing doesn't destroy the robots, Homing Attack and the erratic Somersault are the only ways to do so, and even then, the debris left over does nothing but get in the way. Not only THAT, but more often than not, Sonic would actually push the rings instead of collecting them. However, I can definitely see what Sonic Team Japan was trying to do with the game (In short, Sonic Adventure 3), but I just wish that they were allowed to finish the game before releasing it! :/

As for Sonic Unleashed... If you look at all the hype so far and compare it with the hype of the last two 'canon' games (Shadow and Sonic 06), you'll see why. That and I hate the idea of 'Were-Sonic'. The idea of Eggman messing up the Chaos Emeralds whilst Sonic was using them to maintain his Super state is brilliant, but I hate that Sonic has to turn into Crash Bandicoot as a result.

Thanks for telling me! Why do you hate Secret Rings and which one is better between Sonic 06 and Secret Rings?

I cannot really say why I hate Secret Rings without offending at least 3 religions...

I'm gonna be honest and say that Sonic 06, despite its rather questionable storyline and overall incompleteness, is better than Secret Rings. Just keep that to yourself and we'll both be fine. ;)

Anyway, back on topic.

I don't see what's wrong with your opinion, but back to the topic.

Yeah, anyway, it was for the better that Spyro had changed because the old series was losing fans, where The Legend of Spyro was gaining fans (Most people on their youtube videos bearly talk trash about them and even love them, except a few of  those rotten Insonamiac freaks). There's a reviewer name Sonikdude who dislike the Spyro games after Spyro 3, until he stumbled upon the new series and he was impressed. Plus, due to the popularity of the plot, there will be a Legend of Spyro movie in 2009. Plus, the new Spyro game coming out this year, you will be AMAZED how the game looks.

let's hope it's the old spyro.

No, I just told you old Spyro is not coming back. But try The Legend of Spyro. You can't judge a game by it's cover (or looks for that, matter).

old spyro aint cuming back!!

I personally hate when a game tris to be original bashing all that made it popular... I never liked Mario 64 cuz it lost the difficulty of the  original Super Mario Brothers, if mario 64 had nevels to complete with a lot of cool power ups and lava filled sungeons it would be cool... Search for stars is stupid for me and even the Mushroom Kingdom lost its original shape of geometrical and cool envoronentns for a realistic landscape... I know the storyline in Mario Brothers isn't important but this is the fact that I hate the most, Nintendo bashed all that happened in the first 3 SMB games and now everything is a copy from Mario 64... I also hated how they deleted the 2 player mode turning Luigi a pussy coward...

I say the same about Resident Evil 4, I know the gameplay is awesome and this is the only thing I really liked about this game but the storyline was really stupid, we spent years hoping fight against Umbrella and Spencer and what did we receive? A stupid first peson shooter located in a "Spain" that belongs to the 1800's; also all the puzzles and exploration were deleted and the game became really linear, fpor the puzzles we just have to shoot to everything... Really lame... RE lost that feeling of despair thinking that our ammo was about tu run out, no... You get bullets from the enemies... WTF is this? A NES game?? This game really dissápointd me and I really hated how leon moves like Neo in Matrix, RE was supposed to be a realistic game ehrn you hasve to take care of your ammo , your actions were normal for a person, you realluy had to survive but RE4 is really stupid if you compare it with the previous 4 games... I hope RE5 be a lot better cause Umbrella Chronicles is another crap, it has beauitful graphics but Nintendo has to understand that RE is a survival horror game and not a FPS... I really hoped solve puzzles in the Spencer's Hideout with Chris, Jill, Barry and Claire but now; I just got a stupid game where you can't move by yourself... Good bye good thinking times...

I'm sorry. I didn't mention David Spade because in the next game he's voiced by the terrible Billy West (the guy who plays Fry from Futurama) (>:(). However, Wayne Brady (from "Who's Line is That?") will be Sparx in the next game. Nice that you're still a Spyro fan.

To me, Super Mario 64 is a good game, but I never got into it that much. It's hard to explain, to me it still felt like a Mario game, but it didn't feel a whole lot like the classics. Personally, I think Donkey Kong 64 is the superior platformer on the N64. Now if we can only get Nintendo to make a sequel instead of these silly bongo-related games, hmmm.

Banjo Kazooie is my personal favourite for the 64.

They're making a new one for 360.

Great for people like me who jumped to Microsoft products.  :P

I disagree Mech - I don't think Rare have had a hit game since they left Nintendo. Look at their success from the SNES and N64: Killer Instinct, DK Country 1, 2+3, Goldeneye 007, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Banjo-Tooie, DK 64, Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

And then look at the Xbox and 360 titles: Conker: Live & Reloaded, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero and Viva Piñata. Some of those are okay, but they're nothing compared to the older stuff. Especially PDZ. I can't describe how disappointed I was with that game. That's another character who's been screwed over: Joanna Dark.

Yeah, it's called 'Nuts and Bolts'. They've removed some of the platform elements to put in a focus on building things and racing.

I really hope that they pull off this one. It looks incredible, but gameplay's the most important thing. And if they screw it up, I won't be buying another Rare game again.

speaking of viva pinata, there will be one for the ds.

I saw how the game looks and I was all like,  :huh:"Is there any platforming in this game?". I wanted a new Battletoads game but seeing what they're doing now :-\, I'm not so sure anymore.

*think* we are straying off-topic

ah well...i aint bothered really

You're right, we are starting to get off topic.

Anyway it's best if Spyro has changed. To me, it's better to risk losing some fans while gaining new ones than losing almost all of your fanbase. Some who grew up with Spyro even like the new series better.

ya, like i would trust some one who makes fairy tale point and click games, and the ever parodying space quest series to steal spyro

Well, you could at least try them or adjust to them.

meh, you can just change the title of the thread :P

Well, pizza zero was the one who created this thread, not me. I don't want to change another person's thread.

oh?

EPIC LOL!

spyro losed main gameplay because it had some awfull games, and becaused they decided to reset his story. I was waitig for that giant drago mode in vain...

What giant dragon mode in vain?

Since Spyro changed his look in the second game, I tought they would make him bigger  in just a few games...

The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon will be SO awesome!

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Oh brother. Some people just can't try new things. :/

sorry

That's okay. To each his own.

The old Spyro may not be returning and has gone in a totally new direction, but Crash is the same character and the same storyline. If you want, you can still have faith in him. It'll be all right, pizza zero.

well, i liked spyro better because of the gameplay, music, and graphics, but i don't like the newer ones, spyro 3 was the first game i owned on the PS2, the first cd based console i ever owned (i wouldn't count a computer as a console), good memorys  ::)