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We've all heard it before. Males are, because of the basic code of honor that everyone should live by, not allowed to hit females.

And that's pretty much all that the phrase says on the matter.

So the question is... How far does this go?

Obviously, you're not allowed to draw first blood. Ever. That's... just no.

However, if a girl punches you, kicks you, or slaps you (As you ladies love to do...), would you only fight back if the situation is life-threatening? Or would the simple act of being attacked throw that out the window?

Additionally, to what extent does this idea apply? Is it "Never feed a girl a double helping of a knuckle sandwich" or, "Don't harm females, even slightly"?

Of course, I'd love to feed a certain lady a ten-course meal of knuckle sandwiches, fist-flavored ice cream, fist a la pain, and fist de Shanghai. But that's another story.


My opinion would be:
1. Don't draw first blood. Period.
2. Only hit a girl if there's actual need, but it doesn't necessarily have to be life threatening.
3. Getting slapped in the face, even if you don't deserve it, doesn't count. For some reason, women have a right to slap people in the face and get away with it. Meh.


...discuss


And yes, I want people to disagree with me. I want people to tell me I'm wrong, for that is a discussion.

I'll agree with that but some girls just ain't......girls to me so then I would hit them back. I never would hit a girl who's girly but I will hit a girl who's....we'll, manly  :D
On the other side, I barely am angry so if I hit someone, it's serious....

Well, you can't PUNCH or KICK a girl (Technically you can, but it isn't correct)... But if you need to defend yourself from a crazy gal you can try to hold and throw her away or slap her really hard...

Anyway, there always are exceptions...
(http://clickha.persiangig.com/image/new_foldernn/muscle%20woman%202.jpg)

tell me that's photoshopped.... 8O

I really hope that...

Where I come from, guys should never throw the first punch. If you do, you are not a man.
After the first strike though, (face slap, falcon punch, knife lunge or other) all are equal and no one will blame you for returning the favour.
You may never use excessive force though. What "excessive" means depends on the context and is kind of shady.

People aren't very slap-happy in Sweden.

My approach is to never hit anyone. If there is a chance to back down, or retreat, I would take it. Taking a swing at someone these days is quite damaging to you legally, regardless if you are the aggressor or defender. Instead of retaliation to being assaulted, you use this legal matter as your advantage against them.

Take the MoFo to court, I say.

If we are going back to the whole "in the moment" scenario with the assault; I believe someone already mentioned excessive force. Try to push, shove, or punch your way to safety. Get the hell out of there. Try to alert others to the situation.

Stay alert and stay safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIU0HwKUKzk

I think what I have to say next, isn't going to sit well with some, but this is in regard to the topic at hand, so I'll say it.

I've loved the idea of the martial arts all my life; many great movies wouldn't be as good without them, but for their application toward real-life scenarios, my opinion of the martial arts has recently changed against their favour.

There are so many people in our society who partake in the martial arts. At the same time there are so many cases of assault and violence related crime.

Ask yourselves this. How often do you read in the news that these instances are resolved from the result of someone's martial arts training? Be honest with yourself. I'd bet not often or ever as you would expect. The promise of martial arts training seems to be lacking from its supposed purpose.

Let you remind you, I'm talking about self-defense here, and in a self-defense scenario, much of what you would learn from using martial arts techniques would be considered as excessive force in your legal situation afterward.

The martial arts are really more of a feng-shui approach to self-defense. Like using some holistic medicine with "secret Oriental ingredients" to cure a sickness.

If you are really serious about self-defense, I'd suggest you first investigate your legal boundaries on the subject. Then buy a gun and learn how to use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc

Now, I know your thinking Mech, isn't using a gun more excessive?, and my answer to that is, in a self-defense scenario, a gun is often a proven deterrent to further confrontation. You don't have to fire the gun.

And even if you do fire it, you can just give off a warning shot, not point it at anyone.
But yeah, if someone hits me, I probably won't care. That said, I've never actually been in a fight, so I don't know...

I'd have to agree with Mechadon's "flight over fight" approach. Punching, hitting, or in any way making physical contact that could potentially injure someone in that situation can cause legal issues and frustrations, not to mention possible hospital bills, with either person in the fight, like Mechadon said. However, I think that if it comes to a "Hah! I've got you cornered!" situation, then I'd say it's time to take arms. However, if it's just a small fight, like say, a girl is angry at you and hitting you to get a point across or to relieve her frustation, then I'd say just take the hits and suck up the pain. It's not worth getting into trouble over something small. Of course, her anger doesn't justify her actions, but like Methidman said "as long as she doesn't kill you, she can go away scot-free whereas if you punch her in the face, you can get 10 years in jail." So all-in-all, I'd say avoid any kind of physical confrontation unless you ABSOLUTELY had to.

While I'm glad I got all positive responses, I still feel the need for damage control.

I don't wish to slander martial arts, and those who practice them.

It's a tradition. One that I'm sure involves a sense of honour and discipline if you dedicate yourself to it. It's a life style that people choose for themselves, that makes them feel good. I'm not here to take that from you. It's really only this delusion as an effective means of self-defense that I'm against. It's like ice-skating. Nobody really needs the skill of ice-skating. Yet people devote their time, money, and life to it.

Kinda hard for me to do.

If I try to look intimidating, it just looks like this:

(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9614/nerdrage1.jpg)

Better than what I look.

Already took care of that little problem. wasted 2 years of my life, though, that's for sure.

You can't use fire on this wicked woman!

I suppose I should throw my two cents in here, being female and all.

I don't think you should retaliate with violence if there's a chance you can put a stop to the situation otherwise. You can try walking away, for starters. If someone insists on picking a fight, you can try restraining them. If they hit you and continue to attempt to hurt you, grab their arms/wrists and tell them to calm down. If they still try to hurt you, wrestle and pin them to the ground if necessary. Only after these things fail should you fight back, and you should only resort to fighting if you or someone else is seriously getting hurt.

To answer the specifics of whether a guy should never hit a girl, it depends on the situation and you should still try to follow the steps above. And while I'm an advocate of gender equality, statistically speaking, men are usually stronger than women, it's just a biological fact. And from what I've seen from the pictures some of you guys have posted, you're not weaklings. You could potentially do more damage to a female opponent. And while I don't share Methid Man's view that women can get away with anything and that we live in a completely misandrist society (there are unfair double standards, but it's still a man's world by far) there are women who will take advantage of the fact and get you into trouble with the law if it comes down to that, even if they started the fight.


Bad idea. I think there can still be legal repercussions for discharging a weapon in public, and you could hit someone with a stray bullet too (hence the legal repercussions). Guns are not toys, and you shouldn't believe everything you see on television.


I know at least three people who have black belts in karate. I think only one of them has ever had to use his skills to defend himself, but he did. You probably don't hear about these things because the odds of someone being assaulted who actually knows the practical martial arts to defend themselves is still pretty low, despite how many people practice it.

If your man enough her fist would just smash to pieces upon your stern iron visage as you stand there triumphantly without batting an eye.

Kids learn from this example, and man the hell up.

No, the pan is reserved for dishing out Internet Justice.

Well I wouldn't hit girls but if they are trying to act "manly" then maybe I'll defend myself.

Hey look, I'm necroing a thread!


Ninjas scare off muggers:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ninjas-rescue-student-from-thugs/story-e6frf7l6-1225868928257

seriously though,
Over in Sweden I've read quite a few articles where the attackee scared his/her attacker away using either martial arts or self defence, still not without battle scars though.

In a place where no one is allowed to carry any sort of weapon or realistic replica in public, and being caught with one has severe consequences, training basic self defence is probably the best option.

I guess it's differences in the legal system playing in as well though, since if someone attacks you in Sweden you have the right to defend yourself against the offender to the point of temporarily disabling them if needed.
Disabling is not endorsed though, and in such cases a thorough investigation will be done on the expense of the one deemed guilty of either assault or "excessive force in self defence". Sometimes both parties get fined.

anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

Funny thing... That's Guido with Speedy's colors... Again...