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The current generation of Anime fans only care for:
Naruto
InuYasha
Bleach
Fullmetal Alchimest
One Piece (even though 4Kids butchered it)
Dragon Ball (Original,Z)
Pokemon
Gundam
Yu-Gi-Oh!

but, They never care for the quirky anime
Plus they never cared for Samurai Pizza Cats
They ONLY quirky anime they loved is BoBoBo-Bo Bo-BoBo

They see animes like Pizza Cats, Kimba as old
and they never care for that!

You like making a lot of threads in the wrong section, don't ya?

Burkey

look,
It's a thread showing pity to SPC
it belongs on the thread i posted it in

That's not really true. We still care for Samurai Pizza Cats.
Although it might have little recognition today due to few resources like DVDs & videos, SPC/KNT is more of a hidden treasure which can be discovered and adored online.

It is no lost cause as Anime fans are very eager anime-treasure hunters. Know what I mean?

Anyway the most of them don't know SPC, if they could watch it, they would REALLY love it cuz very few animes are like SPC...

You forgot to mention Pokemon.

Some of those animes are really good and there are tons of others only die hard anime fans know of that are considered classics. I should know since I've been to two anime clubs (one in high school and one in college). But you are right that some of the old American dubbed animes that were around in the early and mid 90's are not really appreciated now, but there are still die hard fans of those old animes that are still around and willing to show the next generation of cartoon watchers of why those shows were popular back then. Thank goodness we have the internet that is the only thing the government doesn't control. So don't go all sappy about that some of the young fans today don't know anything about the animes we once knew. They will still go online and see it for themselves and we'll get a whole new generation of fans. So, it's not a total loss.


Don't get all pushy, Burke. He's just making a statement that is worth talking about. So don't worry about it.

[to Andy: Fixed!]
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The only old school anime on TV right now is Gigantor but, the strange thing is that it's on [adult swim]!
Kimba & Astro Boy are now on DVD but, The Box Sets for both animes are pricey

Another pity is
It's because of the current Anime fans that we'll never see good shows like Doraemon, Kaiketsu Zorori or Animal Yokocho here in the US. all we're gonna get is Animes based on Shonen Jump manga and Stereotypical Animes

Kaiketsu Zorori is a alleged spoof of "Kaiketsu Zorro"
there's only 1 sub of this anime available
http://animesuki.com/series.php/626.html (http://animesuki.com/series.php/626.html)
enjoy!

What do you mean by "fixed"?

I added Pokemon to the list

Well, I keep running into a few people in my area now that are interested in SPC once I remind them. They just found it easier for me to bun them DVDs rather than download. Convenience since I'm closer and can just give it to them.
Not many take an interest in Eto Rangers, though. :(

I've watched Zorori alot in Japan and downloaded episodes.  Never saw any subtitled before.  It's been a very successful show in Japan.

Ohh, the newbie has fangs, I'd better watch out.

Looks like this topic has hardly any SPC discussion at all, but whatever, just trying to keep things organized, so sue me.

Burkey

Humm... but this topic has been moved from Off-Topic Discussion board, hasn't it?  ?:|

NOT ANYMORE
This thread is meant for pity for SPC

Took the words right out of my hands here.

My view of it all is this.  Many newer anime these days are overhyped to the point where it gets annoying hearing about them.  Many of these 'overhyped' titles are...for the most part, just average animated series, much like what we have for American-produced titles.  There's really only been a few 'standout' titles over the past years on both the American and Japanese front for animated series.

Out of the anime you mention above, the only ones I find worth mentioning to anyone is Fullmetal, and Gundam.  Fullmetal for its plot devices, Gundam for its significance in the anime medium.  Naruto, Inuysha, et al....all 'average' to 'mediocre' material.  I tried to get into them, but they just didn't hold appeal with me for long.  Pokemon/Digimon/Yu Gi Oh = all part of a fad that was here and gone within a few years.

For the record, the closest thing to 'quirky' humor like that of SPC, that I could find, was in the anime series. "Azumanga Daioh".  Trouble is, it doesn't give me that 'feeling' I first got when I was catching SPC episodes left and right on TV back in the late '90s.  Yeah, it's good stuff, funny, makes me feel warm inside, but it's not the same.  Plus it's very overhyped.

Many so-called 'anime fans' these days ....they're a bit of a spoiled bunch, and only use two sources for anime.  They watch it on Cartoon Network or some other equivalent of a TV station, or...they dive into the dark recesses of the Internet and sniff around for mp3/mp4, wmv or DviX files of their favorite anime titles that are 'hot' in Japan at the moment.  Unfortunately, SPC is little-known, and never being big in Japan, and only having a fanbase in North America and Europe, it's often overlooked by the folks who supply 'fans' with anime to download.

There's been some late late nights...where I am up early enough to catch those old Gigantor episodes on [adult swim].  Of course, this kind of thing is a bit beyond what I'm used to, due to the series' age and being in B&W.  Most anime, and animated series, post-2000, are done on computers now.  Little, if any, cel animated series are out there.  SPC, Kimba...those are still in traditional cel animation, which is not 'flashy' enough for the newer generations it seems.

I'm all for seeing SPC's appreciation and fanbase grow, along with other older 'classic / cult classic' animated series.  However, if the current generation can't appreciate it, and enjoy it like ours has, they may never will.  Let's hope I'm wrong.  From what I am seeing, writers of Japanese anime and animated series are starting to run out of innovative ideas, so in time, I think people will start to turn back and give the classic things a chance.  Time shall tell.

For now, I am just glad I got into anime with Samurai Pizza Cats, over something more modern and fresh.  It is a true 'diamond in the rough' in terms of anime dubs.  Saban went and took an untranslated unknown (They had the untranslated scripts, but threw them in the paper shredder), and turned it into something that was unique, fun, and has a small, but very dedicated fanbase.  Very FEW anime, if any others exist, have done that, and none of todays 'hits' will have the same dedication.  It ran at a time when things seemed to be running at a 'high' in the U.S., and creativity was allowed to flow freely, with little 'clamping down' on things (well, save for 8 UNAIRED episodes).  Nowadays, SPC wouldn't have as good a chance on TV, and not just because of its age either.  I wouldn't doubt more episodes than the original 8 would have to be scrapped from the listing.

Whew..*wipes forehead* that was long. :)

Yes,
but the BIG difference is Japan gets the good stuff like Kaiketsu Zorori while we get utter grabage like Loonatics Unleashed

Well, even what we may think is 'good' over there, may be utter crap to other people.

Now 'Loonatics'...I have not bothered seeing.  I knew it was going to be bad from the start.  All these failed attempts to 'reinvent' the classic Looney Toons characters....or any other classic cartoon mascots for that matter.  Give me the classic shorts any day...those are what I grew up with.

Anywhoo, to some extent I agree, but also disagree.  Anime distributors here only license what they 'think' will be popular here, based on market trends...and also what is being fansubbed the most (the latter isn't used so much anymore to gauge what will sell)  Sadly this often leaves out some very innovative works, and those works that ARE licensed and released, get little if any attention.  I could name a few examples offhand, some which I have seen.  For me, "Haibane Renmei" and "Someday's Dreamers" come to mind.  Both are slow paced, visual works of art, and they boast a good amount of drama.  They've been mostly overlooked by the masses.

As far as 'anime on TV" is concerned, they will only run action-packed titles (Naruto), dark moody things (Fullmetal Alchemist), or kiddie fare along the likes of "Pokemon" where characters battle each other with monsters, cards, or tops.  No good comedies (Ranma 1/2), no dramatic things (the two I mentioned above), nothing overly sudsy (Fushigi Yuugi) no fantasy/RPG style things (Magic Knight Rayearth, Lodoss) and where the heck is my MAHOU SHOUJO anime!? (Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura).  Nowhere to be found.

The only worthy American material I have heard about, include the likes of Teen Titans and Family Guy.  Either that or it could just be more overhype.  It's too bad it seems that, for comedy to be 'funny' in the U.S., it has to consist mostly of 'potty humor'.  That's just what I noticed though.  I am not a big TV person, as you can probably tell.

hey hey hey i love Dbz and yu-gi-oh! but i also like SPC, i just try to keep an open mind to every thing i wach.

With the online commerce revolution, people can purchase many things from auction sites. With the Web, information and media is easier to find. With e-mail, instant messaging and forums, people don't even have to meet in person (there were IRC and bulletin boards earlier, though). Not as much VHS, manga, CD and other item hunting in person, right? Internet fandom: digital fanart, web sites, forums, file hosting & sharing (episodes & manga scans and soundtracks without paying for them), and online auctions. It's a different landscape. The old one: tape traders & sellers, hobby shops, word of mouth & telephone, real mail and fanzine & comics. Also in real life: fan clubs and conventions.

I'd fall into the Internet category, sorry. Mostly EE forum-going and file sharing, and buying merchandise from eBay and Yahoo Japan auctions. Not very creative, except for the future Eto Rangers website.

You know, being from Canada, you're able to get different perspectives on things, such as the current so-called 'anime generation' or what have you, mostly due to the fact that we lack networks like ToonAmi or whatever it is in the States. Basically, the only anime shown on-air as of the last time I even bothered to have cable, was Witch Hunter Robin... and. Um. Yu-Gi-Oh still. I think. Likely DBZ cuz it just never goes away. At any rate, my point being, and it's a similar one to what many have already stated, but seeing as I just stumbled across this place about.. 3 hours ago, I figured I'd make my intro posting an intelligent one, heh. But I digress. What I mean to say is that, in Western society, quirky stuff like SPC or Azumanga Daioh, or Kodomo no Omocha just won't find itself a niche, because from what I can tell from the younger ones these days, all they want is action in an anime. And then some darker stuffs for the older ones. Personally, my typical genre preference when it comes to anime is straight shoujo which definately will never see a market over here beyond dvd relase maybe. No, what I'm thinking is that the current generation of anime otaku, for lack of a better term, really doesn't have a large enough foothold on the market. As big as it has gotten, it got bottlenecked really fast, so that all that everyone sees, or ever cares to see, is the fare they put on TV, for the most part. Granted, that does give your average person with an interest in anime a reason to go to better resources, such as torrent sites or fansub release groups, but once they do that, it sort of eliminates them from the statistic that your major import and translation companies don't take into much consideration. It's sort of a catch-22 in that by having this inernet and electonrically based forum for accessing all this great volume of stuff, it perpetuates itself to remain in that venue, as your typical company will overlook that market and base what it brings over on what the masses are watching.
So, the only true way to return things to how they were, say, 10 odd years back, this whole online community would have to disappear, or become inaccessible to new fans. Not that I'm saying the electronic age of things is a bad venue for anime, it's just my view on the situation. Personally, I quite prefer the online version of things, because not only is it free as it is fans working for other fans, but it provides for a much wider taste and greater general acceptance. Which is why I think projects like this are great. To which, I hope that it continues on and grows into something big enough to be given notice, and hopefully it will inspire people to look into, and perhaps  continue to translate, older and quirkier series like KnO or KnT, as they likely will never find a niche in the 'official' marketplace. So we can only hope that fans can continue to have the ambition they have had, and the innovation for better methods to create, and to distribute their translations. I've seen it all, from when VHS was the only way you could find fan translation, to the very first digital fansubs, to the great migration to mIRC and private ftp's to finally the current BitTorrent evolution. And it isn't to say that everything is moving to digital, as there is still alot to be said about being able to meet and hang out with others that are just like you; ie, conventions, anime clubs, viewings and the like. I mean, personally, I don't enjoy watching anime as much as I do when I watch it with a group of people than when I watch it alone. Sadly, I live in a fairly small town and not that many people have much interest in what I have interest in, so I can only depend on conventions.

Wow. Long. lol. So basically, to sum things up, when you step back and look at things on the whole, yes, the current market is quite a sad state of affairs in some respects, but in others, it is not. It really depends  on how you look at it. There have been a good many gems released in the past year as far as the fansub community goes, and in the general market, more and more anime is making it into the mainstream. Granted, it might not be everything we want it to be, but hey, it's better than nothing. Like I said, it encourages those to reach out and look into it more, gives them an idea. And with that idea, it helps the online community to grow and expand, and in the end, makes for a better overall experience. And who knows, maybe someday the major companies will finally take notice of what is really desired by your average fan and start to show more variety, but in the meantime we aren't at a complete loss.

as far as i'm concerned, US anime distibutors are fond of 3 things: Anime based on Shonen Jump manga, Giant Robts and Sexy Women.
They RARELY license unique anime. Take "Case Closed" (aka "Detective Conan") for example, The anime was popular worldwide but, When FUNimation licensed it and renamed for a rediculous legal reason, America never gave the series a chance especially Cartoon Network's [adult swim]. The same goes for Super Milk-Chan, Nobody understood the unique material of the anime SO what do they do? they brag [adult swim] to cancel it.
This is what I'm talking about: The Anime fanbase in the US never take unique anime like Case Closed, Super Milk-Chan or PANDA-Z for granted. all they care about is Animes that is based on a Shonen Jump manga (i.e. Bleach, Naruto), Giant Robots (i.e. Gundam) and Sexy Women (i.e. Sailor Moon) PLUS they never respect the animes that introduced the US to Anime, Namely: Astro Boy, Gigantor, Kimba The White Lion & Speed Racer

A bit freaky there if you ask me.  Sailor Moon would fit your example better.

'Cardcaptor Sakura' and 'sexy'...<shiver>  'Cute' would be more like it.

(CCS happens to be a favorite anime of mine too.)

I first watched SPC when i was between the ages of 2 and 4 on what was STV's verison of the afternoon kids crap known today as cITV. (I'm british if ya havent guessed). I loved it enmorously, and watched it all i can. I'm 16 now, 17 next month. When i found out neko was re-encoding SPC i went over the moon, it brought back memories of my early childhood when there wasn't a cloud in my small sky. Yes, i like other animes, not very many because some are either too serious or too wacky. (DBZ was ok when i was 12 for one year, that about it... Tenchi now thats funny)

Most people dont remember SPC because only a select few areas in this country got access to it and when Meridian outbidded STV for the area the bastards burned (yes thats right) all off any of the STV tapes etc etc. If that didnt happen, SPC would be much bigger, and we would have more people of my age on this forum.

The Samurai Pizza Cats are a one off and therefore is a rareity and should be treated as such, in its time and in our time its the best anime arguebly of its generation.
Sailor moon is for sexy women... THEY ARE SCHOOLGIRLS... I only watched that coz it made me laugh so much i cried. I dont find it erotic or any of the chara in that sexy in any way, shape or form because it is a cheap series based on a manga originally designed for schoolgirls that was adapted into anime by men... Thats the only reason why they are possibly classed as 'sexy women'

[No insults please - MM]

fixed!

I don't think anybody mentioned it, but all of those (except for Bleach, I think) are on Cartoon Network or were at one time. That might have something to do with it.

And this is TV we're talking about. Most people don't think much about what they watch, other than "Woah, s/he's hot."

One of the best rants I've ever read.

And it even got editted too, before I had a chance to jump in!

Burkey

I grew up watching SPC (I think Robotech, SPC and Sailor Moon were the first anime series I saw), and to this day it still remains one of my favorites. There really isn't anything quite like it. But yes, I know what you mean about those anime you mentioned. I was never able to really get into Inuyasha or Naruto. It just really didn't hold my attention. I mean, we all have our own tastes, but I think that many of these shows are overrated, with fanboys claiming "ZOMG! BEST ANIME EVAR!" I actually heard some kid at my college claim One Piece to be the best show ever devised by mankind. But yeah, there's nothing really quite like SPC. It is indeed a "diamond in the rough." The one series that almost comes close in my mind is Excel Saga. Very whacky and very quirky, and it's one of my favorites. Oh, and I just have to say that I actually liked Sailor Moon when it was being aired. :-[

I don't watch most anime. Partly, I'm too lazy to try, plus, I just don't get into most of
them. The only ones I even CARE to watch are the Kirby anime, Sonic X(Both of course
in the orignal version. :) Fooley Cooley and SPC. I thought nothing could beat Fooley Coo-
ley in the wacky department... till I saw SPC. :) My buddy who showed me Fooley Cooley
agreed that SPC is just as weird, but unlike FLCL, doesn't make sense at the end.
But at least FLCL gets shown on Adult Swim every so often...

Edit: I failed to mention Fullmetal. I like it.

What part of SPC's ending didn't make sense?  :huh:

You misunderstand me. Storywise, FLCL's giant Iron, robots spawning out of
a guy's head, all the crap, it had a REASON. In the last two episodes of FLCL,
all the supposedly unexplainable stuff was explained. It was still wacky, but
it's wackiness had a meaning. SPC on the other hand...
I suppose I should have worded it a bit differently. SPC makes sense, yes.
(Not much, but a bit ^_^) But it's wackiness was just there for no real
reason except to make people laugh. (Like a gun in the top of a pizza parlor
is SERIOUS.)
... Am I making ANY sense??

Heh heh, alright, I understand what you getting at.   :)

But, The Fishhead Gun is SERIOUS BUSINESS.  ;)

I have never heard of Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo(I had to look at your post to get that right), which may or may not be for the best...
As for the fish gun... I liked Polly's attack with the spear better. It somehow... just fits the show. :D

Dude, SPC has a Big fan community and we have episodes online that are “Bitorrent free”, what else do you want?. A online comic that is fanmade as Sonic has? That’s impossible because we don’t have 183 issues of a real SPC comic to base stuff from!.

You're responding to CyberFox now, right? Just wanna be clear on that, cause you didn't use any quotes.

Hmmm. What you say is true, but we do have 52 eps to base stuff on. Is there any particular reason why there needs to 183 issues of a "real" SPC comic, before an online fan comic can be made?

Well,  since we have nothing better to do,   why don't we give that a shot  ?!?!     :)

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Andy (The one who likes that idea)

A Tv show format very different from a comic, Sonic fans had a comic camed “Sonic the comic” to base the online one, they just continued the story, but there is no decent way to continue the story from where the SPC Tv show ended, specially if you believe that thing about Guru Lou rebuilding the Catatonic, who would dare to fight the robot that destroyed a comet?.  But  even if you don’t have the Catatonic anymore, what could the story be about? I had one about Ninja crows clans fighting for leadership, since the departure of Jerry and Bad bird leave them without leaders. But that wont affect Little Tokyo much, it was more a side story about “GB”(Good bird) being hunted as a traitor. Besides, since Polly, Guido and specially Speedy raised their powers so much, the enemies would need to have some "spirit power" to make things interesting. So it would end being some kind of DBZ rip off. Besides a online comic takes ages to make, you need more than anything artists willing to work in it for free, cause is easy to find decent writers that do it for free^_-.

Not that there's anything wrong with big goals, and huge stories, but perhapse you folks should consider just starting a little smaller.

I wouldn't mind seeing a good SPC online comic, nor one that had a huge story and everything, but some things are just hard to come up with likity-split.

Just for starters, start small. Make up a simple comic about... let's say... Speedy loosing his tooth brush.

Next, keep going from there. Perhapse a little while after that story arc, bring in another story arc that is tied into that some-how.
Perhapse his tooth brush being stolen was a setup for some grand scheme where bad guys try to spy on the Pizza Cats. Lots of talk can go on in the visinity of a tooth brush.

After that, have a few more arcs, then come back with another expansion. Perhapse now the bad guys have a plan, and they're acting on it.

See what you've just made? You've probably made a few comics, had some laughs, and had a story line playing in the background.
All great trees start out as a small seed. Try planting a few and see what comes out.  ;)  ;]

Hmm ..... Interesting thought Kyo.

......  but I think you missed a spot.

I agree that great trees start out as little seedlings.   But I think most SPC fans have already had these "little seedlings"  in their hands ever since the SOBs took the show off the air back when Tutankhamen was still in nappies.   Some carry these seeds in their pockets to work and back.      Heck,  some have even planted these seeds in their own backyard.

But the one thing these people haven't done is to actually find a block of land to plant these seeds in.   Instead of in those beautiful,  decorative yet constrictive pot plants.

But I suppose thats the "Galaxy-sized"  goal you were speaking of huh Kyo ?

OK, .... walk past the block of land thingy for a sec and walk into that church down the road.    Maybe there are pople there who vibrate in the same frequency as the seeds' owners.    Maybe those seeds can be spread a little more effectively if people get together.

Afterall,  colonization of a new landscape requires more than one person.    Heck,  even starting a family requres two indivuduals at the very minimum.   Three for some. 

Sure we have already gathered together and everything.  But the efforts mostly go into commenting on the weather.     Or politics.      Or girls. (4 the boys)     Nothing overly constructive and/or ambitious.

............... ok,  that flash project thing was quite ambitious.    But that's different.    This is actually within our reach IMO.

No anime fans love animes like Kaiketsu Zorori or Samurai Pizza Cats
All they want is action, sexy girls, blood, death, sex scenes

I'm Serious!

Now I don't know much about this newfangled Japanimation or whatever all you whippersnappers been talkin' about... but aren't FLCL and Azumanga Daioh two well-liked and fairly recent shows which didn't rely on the aforementioned content?

I know a few guys who would love to disagree with ya. I made the same statement to them and they all trashed me down on that stereotype (even though that 80% is true). So, I wouldn't generalize on that if I were you. If the guys that I know of actually came here and read your post. They would try to find ways to ban this forum. Trust me. They know people. So, let's not try this on more than one occasion. Even if I do agree with ya.

Andy (The one who paid the price of generalization)

Full Metal Aclamist (I can't spell it) for the win.

Burkey

Yep~ Excel Saga... Full of Sex and Violence.

Yep~ All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku... Full of Sex and Violence.

Yep~ Spirited Away... Full of Sex and Violence.

Yep~ Kiki's Delivery Service... Full of Sex and Violence.

Yep~ Azumanga Daioh... Full of Sex and Violence.

This dude has a point!

In that case, they should LOVE SPC! It has all they could ever ask for!
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/bubba_trex/all2.jpg)

OK, I was a overreacting a bit
but, seriously
do you see any Pizza Cat cosplay @ any anime con?
I don't think so

animes like KO Beast, Kaiketsu Zorori & PANDA-Z get shunned
In favor of Mech animes, Cowboy Bebop, and animes from Shonen Jump

You really should visit the SPC cosplay thread...
http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=88.0