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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2016, 03:34:16 am »

It would be nice to hear from him as, like you said, it would give us the info that we've been looking for.

Honestly, I do appreciate the effort you're putting it--not just to finding out the info, but also in doing your part in trying to keep this place alive.

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the compliment. And don't worry, once I'll get to the rest of Guido's work, this forum will be active again! Either that or a new Pizza Cat resurgence.

Oh, you're welcome.

I definitely think there will be some things that do spark some more interest in SPC/KNT in the future.
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2016, 03:36:39 am »

The thing about that is: there is confusion about who voices who, but that same confusion has led to some more life being breathed into this place, and I'm always in favor of that.
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« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2016, 06:08:44 am »

Not to mention the fact that Terrence Scammell told me several characters that were supposedly voiced by him were not so.

So cool that you've had contact with the voice of Guido!  Guido Smirk  Polly Love
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2016, 06:40:08 am »

Not to mention the fact that Terrence Scammell told me several characters that were supposedly voiced by him were not so.

So cool that you've had contact with the voice of Guido!  Guido Smirk  Polly Love

Yeah, I think so too.
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« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2016, 09:31:45 am »

A-log: I wanted to give you my sincere thanks for all of your work, work that is probably not finished yet, but that's okay. Not only did it breathe life into this place, but it also helped me with something I was, and still am, working on.
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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2016, 10:58:30 pm »

A-log: I wanted to give you my sincere thanks for all of your work, work that is probably not finished yet, but that's okay. Not only did it breathe life into this place, but it also helped me with something I was, and still am, working on.

You're very welcome, rcom. Still no word from Terrence yet; got a response from Liz MacRae (who is a fan of the show) and told me that she might check back to see what other characters she voiced. Here's hoping I'll get some answers soon.
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« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2016, 07:32:42 am »

A-log: I wanted to give you my sincere thanks for all of your work, work that is probably not finished yet, but that's okay. Not only did it breathe life into this place, but it also helped me with something I was, and still am, working on.

You're very welcome, rcom. Still no word from Terrence yet; got a response from Liz MacRae (who is a fan of the show) and told me that she might check back to see what other characters she voiced. Here's hoping I'll get some answers soon.

That's alright.

Honestly, this whole thing plays in our favor, you know? There's still that intrigue about who plays who, and it breathes more life into this place.
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« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2016, 05:15:02 am »

Still no word from Terrence yet, but I hope you guys can help me out on the following:

Meowzma O'Toole: Since many have confused Rick (Jones) for voicing him for years, I'm starting to think that Michael O'Reilly (Bad Bird) voiced him. To me, he sounds like a deeper voiced version of Bad Bird.
https://app.box.com/s/mti8ozjwp1okqjz3c8n9xp0wmkqwxmg9 

Princess Vi: I know many said it's Susan Glover voicing her, but after hearing some clips, I'm starting to doubt that. Sounds like it might be Bronwen Mantel. Take a listen:
https://app.box.com/s/3pl7xueatnbxsa6bxy2wg7wtcxuom7b4 

Mama Mutt & Junior: Might not be Sonja and Pauline, but sounds like someone else did their voices, judging how similar voices appear in other shows.
https://app.box.com/s/hoypx89om0z055artk8nr8hzqnn37m5o 

Empress Freida: Methinks that this is Jane Woods, but I just wanted to be sure.
https://app.box.com/s/m8bl7x4hxjd5a7glwz32loisyrb6i60s 

Bucky: Francine's boyfriend. Might be a regular or a one-off guest voice in the Canadian region. Mistakenly thought it was Mark Camacho back in the day.
https://app.box.com/s/99966bvt4gl5w3s5wmbmxjn2exerd9bt 

Wally: Lucille's brother. This one still confuzzles me, since it sounds cartoony enough to be recognizable.
https://app.box.com/s/g1b2jbclvnavexmzqptpc0gtdjuujhi9

Professor Ohm and Ohm Jr.: Still unsure about this two as well.
https://app.box.com/s/8ioqjviofymjudwwfoqwi1vthuepzweo
https://app.box.com/s/j6x4pb3kfo26ikarmick69cet3nq97yp 

I. Beam: Also might sound like Arthur or another voice actor, but I'm unsure at this point.
https://app.box.com/s/1orhexpynf8qm9nrigs4595eoto12gfd 

Big Frank: The one-off robot was really funny as a Frank Sinatra knock-off. Judging from its design, it's the only time a Kinnikuman knock-off can do a good Frank Sinatra impression.
https://app.box.com/s/miv5sz8b76rcsebacsfvljkl97arx6ad 

Fernando Curtenzuela: Might be one of the credited actors or the uncredited ones.
https://app.box.com/s/fbj63qzf6nicdm144h3jpzgsukspk7yr 

Time Master: This voice still cracks me up. Another character whom I mistakenly thought Mark Camacho voiced.
https://app.box.com/s/voiehl8oiwoorf8x61hhkgxua8fgkl90

Remember that most of these characters are probably voiced by Canadian actors who were uncredited or by the main cast. If you recognize a few from several Canadian produced cartoons, let me know, and see what you guys have in mind for your answers.
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« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2016, 12:10:52 am »

Still no word from Terrence yet, but I hope you guys can help me out on the following:

Meowzma O'Toole: Since many have confused Rick (Jones) for voicing him for years, I'm starting to think that Michael O'Reilly (Bad Bird) voiced him. To me, he sounds like a deeper voiced version of Bad Bird.
https://app.box.com/s/mti8ozjwp1okqjz3c8n9xp0wmkqwxmg9 

Princess Vi: I know many said it's Susan Glover voicing her, but after hearing some clips, I'm starting to doubt that. Sounds like it might be Bronwen Mantel. Take a listen:
https://app.box.com/s/3pl7xueatnbxsa6bxy2wg7wtcxuom7b4 

Mama Mutt & Junior: Might not be Sonja and Pauline, but sounds like someone else did their voices, judging how similar voices appear in other shows.
https://app.box.com/s/hoypx89om0z055artk8nr8hzqnn37m5o 

Empress Freida: Methinks that this is Jane Woods, but I just wanted to be sure.
https://app.box.com/s/m8bl7x4hxjd5a7glwz32loisyrb6i60s 

Bucky: Francine's boyfriend. Might be a regular or a one-off guest voice in the Canadian region. Mistakenly thought it was Mark Camacho back in the day.
https://app.box.com/s/99966bvt4gl5w3s5wmbmxjn2exerd9bt 

Wally: Lucille's brother. This one still confuzzles me, since it sounds cartoony enough to be recognizable.
https://app.box.com/s/g1b2jbclvnavexmzqptpc0gtdjuujhi9

Professor Ohm and Ohm Jr.: Still unsure about this two as well.
https://app.box.com/s/8ioqjviofymjudwwfoqwi1vthuepzweo
https://app.box.com/s/j6x4pb3kfo26ikarmick69cet3nq97yp 

I. Beam: Also might sound like Arthur or another voice actor, but I'm unsure at this point.
https://app.box.com/s/1orhexpynf8qm9nrigs4595eoto12gfd 

Big Frank: The one-off robot was really funny as a Frank Sinatra knock-off. Judging from its design, it's the only time a Kinnikuman knock-off can do a good Frank Sinatra impression.
https://app.box.com/s/miv5sz8b76rcsebacsfvljkl97arx6ad 

Fernando Curtenzuela: Might be one of the credited actors or the uncredited ones.
https://app.box.com/s/fbj63qzf6nicdm144h3jpzgsukspk7yr 

Time Master: This voice still cracks me up. Another character whom I mistakenly thought Mark Camacho voiced.
https://app.box.com/s/voiehl8oiwoorf8x61hhkgxua8fgkl90

Remember that most of these characters are probably voiced by Canadian actors who were uncredited or by the main cast. If you recognize a few from several Canadian produced cartoons, let me know, and see what you guys have in mind for your answers.

Honestly, at this point, I think you're the main person to ask about in regards to the voices. I tried to contribute, but it just didn't work out.

That's okay, though. I appreciate all your hard work.
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« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2016, 04:35:31 am »



Honestly, at this point, I think you're the main person to ask about in regards to the voices. I tried to contribute, but it just didn't work out.

That's okay, though. I appreciate all your hard work.

Thanks in advance. It's just that you've got to at least try your luck with some of these Canadian voices. Still haven't heard back from Terrence, Jane or Liz on their roles. Speaking of which, I think Jane Woods voiced Freida and Vi's Handmaiden, and possibly Mama Mutt as well. I'll contact Terrence again to be sure. I'm sure he's busy with acting and what not.
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« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2016, 09:35:41 pm »

Got word back from Terrence about the other voices. He was busy and forgot, but here's what he sent:

Mark Hellman - Meowzma O'Toole
Liz MacRae - Princess Vi
Jane Woods - Mama Mutt, Empress Freida
Bronwen Mantel - Mutt Jr.
Arthur Holden - Bucky, I. Beam, Time Master
Michael Rudder - Wally, Big Frank, Fernando Curtenzuela
Pierre Lenoir - Prof. Ohm
Teddy Lee Dillon - Ohm Jr.

Looks like I was right about Jane voicing Freida and Bronwen voicing Junior. I was surprised to find out that Liz voiced everybody's favorite ruler with a cute iron fist, but it was confirmed after listening to this voice demo on her website:

http://www.lizmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/7_cartoon_voices_animation.mp3

Pierre Lenoir was the only new name on this update, and he did several voices in other productions in Canada. And, I'm only shooting the dark here, but it appears that Michael Rudder and Arthur Holden voiced a lot of male side characters throughout the show. Expect more clips from me for other characters and minor characters as soon as possible. Hopefully someone will update the Wikipedia and TV Tropes entries ASAP.
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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2016, 05:59:56 am »



Honestly, at this point, I think you're the main person to ask about in regards to the voices. I tried to contribute, but it just didn't work out.

That's okay, though. I appreciate all your hard work.

Thanks in advance. It's just that you've got to at least try your luck with some of these Canadian voices. Still haven't heard back from Terrence, Jane or Liz on their roles. Speaking of which, I think Jane Woods voiced Freida and Vi's Handmaiden, and possibly Mama Mutt as well. I'll contact Terrence again to be sure. I'm sure he's busy with acting and what not.

I definitely agree with Jane Woods as Empress Freida.
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« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2016, 06:00:44 am »

Got word back from Terrence about the other voices. He was busy and forgot, but here's what he sent:

Mark Hellman - Meowzma O'Toole
Liz MacRae - Princess Vi
Jane Woods - Mama Mutt, Empress Freida
Bronwen Mantel - Mutt Jr.
Arthur Holden - Bucky, I. Beam, Time Master
Michael Rudder - Wally, Big Frank, Fernando Curtenzuela
Pierre Lenoir - Prof. Ohm
Teddy Lee Dillon - Ohm Jr.

Looks like I was right about Jane voicing Freida and Bronwen voicing Junior. I was surprised to find out that Liz voiced everybody's favorite ruler with a cute iron fist, but it was confirmed after listening to this voice demo on her website:

http://www.lizmacrae.com/wp-content/uploads/7_cartoon_voices_animation.mp3

Pierre Lenoir was the only new name on this update, and he did several voices in other productions in Canada. And, I'm only shooting the dark here, but it appears that Michael Rudder and Arthur Holden voiced a lot of male side characters throughout the show. Expect more clips from me for other characters and minor characters as soon as possible. Hopefully someone will update the Wikipedia and TV Tropes entries ASAP.

You are indeed awesome for doing all of this. It's greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2016, 06:46:00 pm »

And just like that, Terrence relied back to me more info! Although, he couldn't figure out three of them, since he stated that of the clips had actors and actresses that didn't do much when it comes to voice over work. Here's what he had to say (I'm also providing any correct spelling, and what not):

Carla Crow: "I don't know." (Personally, I still think she's voiced by Bronwen Mantel. Take a listen to the kid voices on the show, and you'll see what I mean. Terrence also accidentally calls her Carlo.)
Ninja Crows: Arthur Holden and Mark Hellman
Mojo Rojo: "I don't know." (Still odd, since it sounds like two different actors voiced the guy. So far, I've only found two episodes where the other Rude Noise members speak.)
Ronnie Guiseborn (not Guisemuller): Michael Rudder
The Professor: Mark Hellman. Terrence also states my earlier screw-up: "Michael O'Reilly didn't do any of the narration. I did the narration for the series, with the exception of the promo, which was done in LA." (I think he mistook what I meant about the Professor also being one of the narrators in the Japanese version.)
Great Warrior: "I did the Japanese sounding version, and Mark Helman is doing the other version." (In other words, Terrence Scammell in his first appearance, Mark Hellman in "The Great Comet Caper Part 2".)
Beeky Bickerson: Richard Dumont
News Seller: Arthur Holden
Cuckoo Bird: Arthur Holden
Seymor Jr. (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Bronwyn Mantel
Rufus T. Rhumboid (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Mark Hellman
Sylvia (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Jane Woods
Speedy Fan Girls (from "Those Transformin' Felines"): Both the voices were done by Jane Woods
Frogface (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Pierre Lenoir
Smiling Jack (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Rick Jones
Benny Bunny (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): "Me." (Terrence Scammell)
Walkie Talkie: Richard Dumont (still surprised. Although, I can see why many confused Richard for Terrence, since certain characters sound alike.)
Capt. Nitro (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Richard Dumont
Puff Tart (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Patricia Rodriguez (still active, but currently lives in the UK. She also did voices for "Arthur".)
Crablo (from "Cold and Crabby in Little Tokyo"): Arthur Grosser (in other words, Bad Max with an Italian accent.)
Love Bot (from "All You Need is Love"): Susan Glover
Potted Pig (from "Close Encounters of the Pig Kind"): "I don't know." (Granted, since I could only get one intelligible line in there; the rest were just pig snorts. Could be Hellman as well.)
Ruthless (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Michael Rudder
Shell (from "Emperor Fred Does Hard Time"): Pier Kohl
Sunblock-16 (from "The Pizza Cats Are Only Human (Part 1)"): Mark Hellman
Monster Masher (from "Pizza Cats Performance Review"): Mark Hellman (nice job on the Boris Karloff impression, btw.)

From what I've gathered, any additional characters (robots, citizens, one-shots, etc.) might be voiced by Bronwen, Jane, Mark, Michael and Arthur, along with occasional bits from Richard, Patricia, and several of the main cast. (Terrence is still unsure if Lucinda was voiced by Liz MacRae or Pauline Little.) If there's any other notable characters and robots from the show, I'll make clips and send them his way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some edits to do on Wikipedia.
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« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2016, 02:55:59 am »

And just like that, Terrence relied back to me more info! Although, he couldn't figure out three of them, since he stated that of the clips had actors and actresses that didn't do much when it comes to voice over work. Here's what he had to say (I'm also providing any correct spelling, and what not):

Carla Crow: "I don't know." (Personally, I still think she's voiced by Bronwen Mantel. Take a listen to the kid voices on the show, and you'll see what I mean. Terrence also accidentally calls her Carlo.)
Ninja Crows: Arthur Holden and Mark Hellman
Mojo Rojo: "I don't know." (Still odd, since it sounds like two different actors voiced the guy. So far, I've only found two episodes where the other Rude Noise members speak.)
Ronnie Guiseborn (not Guisemuller): Michael Rudder
The Professor: Mark Hellman. Terrence also states my earlier screw-up: "Michael O'Reilly didn't do any of the narration. I did the narration for the series, with the exception of the promo, which was done in LA." (I think he mistook what I meant about the Professor also being one of the narrators in the Japanese version.)
Great Warrior: "I did the Japanese sounding version, and Mark Helman is doing the other version." (In other words, Terrence Scammell in his first appearance, Mark Hellman in "The Great Comet Caper Part 2".)
Beeky Bickerson: Richard Dumont
News Seller: Arthur Holden
Cuckoo Bird: Arthur Holden
Seymor Jr. (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Bronwyn Mantel
Rufus T. Rhumboid (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Mark Hellman
Sylvia (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Jane Woods
Speedy Fan Girls (from "Those Transformin' Felines"): Both the voices were done by Jane Woods
Frogface (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Pierre Lenoir
Smiling Jack (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Rick Jones
Benny Bunny (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): "Me." (Terrence Scammell)
Walkie Talkie: Richard Dumont (still surprised. Although, I can see why many confused Richard for Terrence, since certain characters sound alike.)
Capt. Nitro (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Richard Dumont
Puff Tart (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Patricia Rodriguez (still active, but currently lives in the UK. She also did voices for "Arthur".)
Crablo (from "Cold and Crabby in Little Tokyo"): Arthur Grosser (in other words, Bad Max with an Italian accent.)
Love Bot (from "All You Need is Love"): Susan Glover
Potted Pig (from "Close Encounters of the Pig Kind"): "I don't know." (Granted, since I could only get one intelligible line in there; the rest were just pig snorts. Could be Hellman as well.)
Ruthless (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Michael Rudder
Shell (from "Emperor Fred Does Hard Time"): Pier Kohl
Sunblock-16 (from "The Pizza Cats Are Only Human (Part 1)"): Mark Hellman
Monster Masher (from "Pizza Cats Performance Review"): Mark Hellman (nice job on the Boris Karloff impression, btw.)

From what I've gathered, any additional characters (robots, citizens, one-shots, etc.) might be voiced by Bronwen, Jane, Mark, Michael and Arthur, along with occasional bits from Richard, Patricia, and several of the main cast. (Terrence is still unsure if Lucinda was voiced by Liz MacRae or Pauline Little.) If there's any other notable characters and robots from the show, I'll make clips and send them his way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some edits to do on Wikipedia.

I really do appreciate all of your hard work. Now we can now solve most of the puzzle with regards to the voices, and I think that's awesome.
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« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2016, 02:57:01 am »

And just like that, Terrence relied back to me more info! Although, he couldn't figure out three of them, since he stated that of the clips had actors and actresses that didn't do much when it comes to voice over work. Here's what he had to say (I'm also providing any correct spelling, and what not):

Carla Crow: "I don't know." (Personally, I still think she's voiced by Bronwen Mantel. Take a listen to the kid voices on the show, and you'll see what I mean. Terrence also accidentally calls her Carlo.)
Ninja Crows: Arthur Holden and Mark Hellman
Mojo Rojo: "I don't know." (Still odd, since it sounds like two different actors voiced the guy. So far, I've only found two episodes where the other Rude Noise members speak.)
Ronnie Guiseborn (not Guisemuller): Michael Rudder
The Professor: Mark Hellman. Terrence also states my earlier screw-up: "Michael O'Reilly didn't do any of the narration. I did the narration for the series, with the exception of the promo, which was done in LA." (I think he mistook what I meant about the Professor also being one of the narrators in the Japanese version.)
Great Warrior: "I did the Japanese sounding version, and Mark Helman is doing the other version." (In other words, Terrence Scammell in his first appearance, Mark Hellman in "The Great Comet Caper Part 2".)
Beeky Bickerson: Richard Dumont
News Seller: Arthur Holden
Cuckoo Bird: Arthur Holden
Seymor Jr. (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Bronwyn Mantel
Rufus T. Rhumboid (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Mark Hellman
Sylvia (from "Son of Big Cheese"): Jane Woods
Speedy Fan Girls (from "Those Transformin' Felines"): Both the voices were done by Jane Woods
Frogface (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Pierre Lenoir
Smiling Jack (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): Rick Jones
Benny Bunny (from "Kung Fu Kitty Contest"): "Me." (Terrence Scammell)
Walkie Talkie: Richard Dumont (still surprised. Although, I can see why many confused Richard for Terrence, since certain characters sound alike.)
Capt. Nitro (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Richard Dumont
Puff Tart (from "Youth is For Exploding"): Patricia Rodriguez (still active, but currently lives in the UK. She also did voices for "Arthur".)
Crablo (from "Cold and Crabby in Little Tokyo"): Arthur Grosser (in other words, Bad Max with an Italian accent.)
Love Bot (from "All You Need is Love"): Susan Glover
Potted Pig (from "Close Encounters of the Pig Kind"): "I don't know." (Granted, since I could only get one intelligible line in there; the rest were just pig snorts. Could be Hellman as well.)
Ruthless (from "Big Cheese's I.Q. Corral"): Michael Rudder
Shell (from "Emperor Fred Does Hard Time"): Pier Kohl
Sunblock-16 (from "The Pizza Cats Are Only Human (Part 1)"): Mark Hellman
Monster Masher (from "Pizza Cats Performance Review"): Mark Hellman (nice job on the Boris Karloff impression, btw.)

From what I've gathered, any additional characters (robots, citizens, one-shots, etc.) might be voiced by Bronwen, Jane, Mark, Michael and Arthur, along with occasional bits from Richard, Patricia, and several of the main cast. (Terrence is still unsure if Lucinda was voiced by Liz MacRae or Pauline Little.) If there's any other notable characters and robots from the show, I'll make clips and send them his way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some edits to do on Wikipedia.

I also think it's awesome that you got replies from Terrence Scammell.
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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2016, 02:14:46 am »

Sorry for not posting anything on this thread for a while, but i did get one new name in uncredited cast pile: Harry Standjofski. He's a character actor in the Montreal, Quebec area, and he has done some character roles in animation; most notably, Friar Tuck in "Young Robin Hood". He told me that he has done some minor characters. I sent him a couple of sound clips to see if he can pick out his voice from the pack.

Still haven't heard back from Aron Tager, though; but he was one of the cast members.

So far, I haven't heard back from the other known Canadian voices from the Cinar camp, but wish me luck!
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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2016, 02:39:15 am »

Sorry for not posting anything on this thread for a while, but i did get one new name in uncredited cast pile: Harry Standjofski. He's a character actor in the Montreal, Quebec area, and he has done some character roles in animation; most notably, Friar Tuck in "Young Robin Hood". He told me that he has done some minor characters. I sent him a couple of sound clips to see if he can pick out his voice from the pack.

Still haven't heard back from Aron Tager, though; but he was one of the cast members.

So far, I haven't heard back from the other known Canadian voices from the Cinar camp, but wish me luck!

Did you hear back from Harry Standjofski? I would love to know which characters he voiced on the show.
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« Reply #78 on: February 24, 2017, 09:58:20 am »

A-Log, can I just say how awesome you are for doing all this research for us? Thank you. Polly Love

Also, here's what Arthur Grosser (voice of Bad Max) has been up to:

http://vintageversesvoiced.com/

He's doing some online poetry reading. In some of these, you can hear a bit of Bad Max in them. Check them out!

This makes me laugh. I need to go listen to some of this soon. I would be great if any lurking artists out there would do a take on Bad Max reading poetry.
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« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2017, 05:36:54 am »

A-Log, can I just say how awesome you are for doing all this research for us? Thank you. Polly Love

Also, here's what Arthur Grosser (voice of Bad Max) has been up to:

http://vintageversesvoiced.com/

He's doing some online poetry reading. In some of these, you can hear a bit of Bad Max in them. Check them out!

This makes me laugh. I need to go listen to some of this soon. I would be great if any lurking artists out there would do a take on Bad Max reading poetry.

I definitely appreciate A-Log doing this. I think, eventually, we'll know every single voice actor/voice actress on that show.

I wish I could do a take on Bad Max, but I don't sound anything like him.
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