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Hi everybody, I really like Ko'on no kami, he is my second favourite character buuuut...(like I said many times but I wanna be sure that everybody know it XD) I can't understand speaked englsh and neither japanese...can someone tell me something more specific about him? (expecially if someone knows what he said in the japanese versions) his best moments ant stuff...if you want it could be great  :D and...I'm pretty sure HE'S NOT gay, right? XD

he kissed jerry and badbird and wears many times a dress or kimono (a japanese outfit)....... ::)

How come you can actually write English but don't understand it, is it such a different accent ?:|

well I can write it and understand it when is written but I can't understand well when they talk. I saw all the episodes in english so I know him, how he acts and stuff, but I would like know is real personality (but I think I must watch the japanese one if I could understand the language) and I also watched some episodes in japanese but...right, is not my language at all ^^'

I don`t think that the "g" word is appropriate when we talking about Big Cheese.

Yes, we can see :bigcheese: kisses :jerry: and :badbird: in a few episodes. But the reason is, probably, that :bigcheese: is too excited and happy seeing everything is going as he planned.

We can also see him crossdressing, usually as cheerleader or Geisha.

In the episode where Pururun and Omitsu become idol singers he seemed awfully attracted to them, so who knows.  :P

But yes, he's a really fun character. The way he and Gennarisai interact leads to lots of funny moments.

Did you watch the japanese episodes? what does he said about the Lovely Mipples? =)

Yeah I like when he wears like a girl but a crossedresser is not a gay one, I'm pretty sure about it

Here's some synonyms for Big Cheese: Clumsy (at times), goofy, conniving, mischievous, a little dimwitted, cross-dresser, corrupt, bizarre, greedy, powerful (in terms of where he stands in the government). Just to name a few.

Thanks. But maybe I'm wrong but in the english version they wanna make Big Cheese too much dimtwitted...in the japanese one we can see him the first three episodes that he is more inteligent and planner

While looking at their poster he says that he loves young women because they're so lively and perky (and while saying this, his tongue's hanging out). He gets so distracted that he isn't following what Gennarisai's trying to tell him about how the plan's going, and instead asks him which girl he likes better. To which Gennarisai eventually replies "the one on the right" (which would be Omitsu).

hahaha that's great at least he doesn't appears gay at all  :-*
Ah it would be awesome know what he really said in japanese...sorry I'm quiet repetitive -_-
Annnnd...another question...does anybody knows what does he said in the episode of Christmas when he talks about the presents he get when he was young? thanks

From what I can understand he was just not satisfied with the present, or he couldn't figure out what to do with his present...

He had asked for a makeup set, and was upset to find that he received the toy cart instead. And this apparently lead to a lifelong grudge against Santa Claus.

Ah I understand...thank you very much!! I like the kindness of all you guys in this forum :)

You're welcome. It's always a pleasure to discuss this show. Although I only know some Japanese, I do like to share what I can make sense of.

Oh that's cool you lucky! I also love this show so much and I would like very much to understand more ^^'
and sorry if I'm boring you but do you remember what Big Cheese said in the thermal baths when Guido and Speedy mistakes him for a girl? I always wondered what does he said.
and when then they fall down on him and he started to cry for happines and makes hearts? thank you is important for me ^_^

He says "Join me fellows!" they get disgusted and he continues to say "Oh darn, I was looking forward to do a little bonding with the younger generation. Come back fellows!". I don't remember the heart scene though.

Thank you very much! ^^ I thought the hearts scene was after Bad Bird and Speedy fight against...and he said somethng like "hooray hooray" crying...

I think Koon is bisexual... Anyway, he never will get a mate so...

I think Koon is straight, the crossdressing is not a synonym of be gay...I'm pretty sure he isn't gay at all. Anyway, I didn't watch the original version so I don't know exactly, but I also think he never found a girlfriend (and neither a boyfriend of course!)

She has a point here. You don't have to be gay in order to cross-dress... you  just have to be weird.  :P

Well, isn't just the crossdressing thing... Koon really likes to smooch his people, (And there aren't defensive kisses like the ones that Bugs Bunny and other toons use as a defensive tactic)... Koon really enjoys to flirt with Gennarisai... The only moments where Koon has showed a real interest about girls are the episode where he is looking at Mipple's poster and the episode where he is flirting to UsaHime (Isn't even a real interest, it's just a scheme)...

The kisses that Koon gives to his henchmen are the same kind of the one that Yattaro gave tio Sukashii when the butterfly changed him (He wasn't straight in that moment)... Koon also got extra excited watching the special technique where Yattaro and Sukashii held their hands and were spinning aroundwith the Toritsukkun armors... The homosexual aspect of Koon isn't fully showed because Teyandee still being a kids show and I suppose that even japanese people have limits about the gay content in "family friendly" shows but I think that all the little hints through the series give us the evidences of Koon's sexual preferences...

I'm not doubting that he ISN'T gay (or bi), I'm just saying that he doesn't HAVE to be gay in order to be a cross-dresser. I see your point and I see Pururun Nyan's point, and I do tend to lean toward him being gay, or possibly bi, because of all of those subtle (and not so subtle) characterizations that he has. Case and point: I personally agree with you and think he's gay, but I don't think he NEEDS to be gay in order to dress like a girl. As in, if it weren't for those other character traits that makes him who he is (gay), his gender preferences could still be debatable.

Hmmm... When the hell did I say that Koon is gay JUST BECAUSE his crossdressing??

I wasn't accusing you of saying that he was gay just because he cross-dressed. My first post today, in this thread, was in regards to what Pururun Nyan said about cross-dressing not being a synonym for gay. I was explaining in the second post, as well as giving my own personal opinion as to what Cheese's gender preference is, that I didn't mean that he wasn't gay, just that I don't think you need to be gay in order to be a cross-dresser. I'm sorry for any confusion if I am confusing you... I'm not very good at explaining things.   :(

Well...is just a really strange hobby  :P

when I think it over maybe he ain't gay because....when speedy had to deliver that pizza to the cheese and fell out of the sky and kissed the cheese by accident, cheese reacted like he didn't liked to be kissed by a guy

Yes and no. While it may have been an initial reaction for kissing a guy, it's also an initial reaction to kissing someone who you don't find attractive or in anyway desirable. Meaning, he may just not like Speedy but like other guys. Again, that doesn't mean he's NOT gay or that he definitely IS gay, just thought I'd throw that out there.

I really got the feeling to ask the creator from Ko'on......

I think he is not gay just because crossdressing doesn't mean to be gay. And I remember the episode of Christmas when Jerry said something to him (I think something like the present was him for Big Cheese, I don't understand english sorry) he appeared disgusted and not very happy for it. I think he is effeminate and he act something like a girly but I don't think he's gay...

Oh sorry I didn't see the old posts of KageReneko! The question is one: did somebody see ALL the japanese episodes for say an exactly answer to the question is Koon gay?
I think only if someone see all the japanese serie can answer correctly and explain a correct answer to the question

I think he has a thing with Jerry...

There's is a strange and wonderful relationship...

I could see Koon lived bad days in the past, probably more bad days with his father who didn't understand his "difference" and he probably has been a strict dad to him. and then, I can imagine Koon with no friends (or maybe not many and maybe chancers too because he is a very important person in Little Tokyo) and so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him
(I hope to write correctly  8O)

The only reason of why Koon didn't have friends was because he always exploded when he lost in their games... I think you are overanalyzing him...


You just made Koon a lot weirder to my eyes... I mean; what kind of freak would flirt with his dad???

I don't think I'm overanalyzing him, I just explained my point of view...
I can't see Koon gay just because there are not so many facts that determine that...
and then "flirt" with Jerry and see him like a father are two differents things. He is very attached to him but I don't think at all he's in love with him.

Then explain why this happens whenever those two get sappy gaga and whatnot (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveBubbles).

I believe what he's trying to say is: if Big Cheese is not in love with Jerry, then why did the scene with the bubbles/flowers around the characters (which indicate a romance scene in anime) show up around both Big Cheese and Jerry numerous times?

I think is just a joke or similar. And I repeat the same thing: if somebody wanna know how the real things are, must be watch the original show...
I wonder what did Big Cheese said when he noticed that he has a son in one episode (well, not his real son...)

Well, there's no real way to know for sure, but he's definitely intended to have lots of stereotypically gay traits. Some of the other characters possibly think of him as such; I recall both Usahime and Karamaru calling him "okamagitsune" ("gay fox").

I wish I had a copy of that "Queer Eye for the Bad Guy" article Vi and I wrote for the Pizza Cats Review newsletter. Maybe it's in the thread somewhere.

This is a sensitive subject, but since you guys have already started the discussion, I might as well jump in and add my two cents. For starters, no, not all crossdressers are gay, but that doesn't mean they can't be. I'd say Ko'on/Big Cheese is definitely gay or bi, though I'm leaning toward gay personally. Even though his antics are all done for comedic purposes in the show, you'd have a very hard time if you wanted to prove he's completely straight.

Anyway, feel free to continue this discussion, but keep it polite like it has been so far. No flames or insults if you disagree with someone else's opinions.

Felineki, did you see all the serie in japanese? I didn't know this particular about him (okamagitsune).
Well, Tigriss is right, the important is to be polite but I think nobody here insults each other is all ok. My opinion is this definitely: I haven't seen the original series in Japanese, so I cannot give a complete judgment of Big Cheese. I do not know if in the Japanese version he tends to make more references on his presumed homosexuality. For the time being, I believe he is only a crossdresser (not obligatorily gay) and all the several scenes " equivocal" they are only gags and jokes or something similar.

Yes, I've seen the whole series in Japanese, although I don't know the language well enough to understand all of it.

In fact, for me Koon is the japanese character that shows his homosexuality the most... Generally the gay characters are more reserved and subtle about their preferences (Tôya from Card Captor Sakura, Eagle from Card Captor Sakura, Haruka and Michiru/Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune from Sailor Moon) and although a crossdresser person isn't always a hay person I think that Koon's crossdressing just corroborates his preferences, in fact, except for a couple of moments I'd dare to say that Koon is a transsexual fox...

Right, I see some episodes in japanese (they are on YT) but I also can't understand the language.

I would exclude with no doubt that Big Cheese is a transesxual fox. I think that to demonstrate himself effeminate or with "girly behaviour" in a way so explicit, is only a difference regarding the series that you have cited, everyone represents his characters as wants.
I hope is clear what I said

Yes - SPC47. :bigcheese: wanted a dance partner as a present on a Christmas, but he found :jerry: in the stocking. He was not happy about it. See pictures here: http://samuraipizzacats.wikia.com/wiki/Crossdressing_scenes#Episode_47.

In fact, you can check the entire article - there are many crossdressing pictures of :bigcheese: and some for :jerry:.  :)

Oh my God so many pictures they are all so cute XD Thank you :)

Infact, I think he's only a crossdresser and nothing else...

Err... Cute??

Yes, are there problems? for me he is cute in everyway u.u
anyway this is not the point of the discussion -.-''

don't forget, she's a girl so will search for the cute guys, not girls  :D

hahah that's right  :D and Big Cheese is really cute...but I prefer him with his usual red cloth XD

Ah yes, that's an easy to forget factoid in these parts...

What do you mean?  :P

Females...on my Internets!? How inconceivable!!!

Oh..uhm so why?  :)

It's more likely than you think!   :P


Sorry, I couldn't resist..

Haha, you win for the day with that retort!

As for 'why?'...well, because the typical stereotype for an anime fan is a reclusive 20-something year-old male who lives in their Mom's basement and smells of BO...

Well...I don't understand english but it seems a sort of insult but maybe I'm wrong  :huh:

It's more insulting to myself than you...even though I don't live in my Mom's basement...or smell bad...

Oh my God but what the hell I ever did to you? I'm speechless  8O

He isn't insulting you... 

Gah! No! I was insulting myself! Crap, I'm turning this whole thing into an international incident! Somebody stop me before we go to war with the wrong country! *shot*

is difficult to me understand another language, can you understand?
And read something like "you smell of BO...(?) and that I live in the Mom's basement I think is not a kind thing to say...well maybe I'm wrong but that's not so easy understand all when my first language is italian  

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Rather I was targeting the male side of the anime community, myself included. I only have nice things to say about the people here...when I'm in a good mood... ::)

That's ok. I always thought here people were very kind for all the works they do for the fans...but now I feel a little sad  :'(
anyway now is all clear, don't talk about this anymore

Gah...I'll shut up now... T_T  >:[

Gwah don't be angry as Polly  :O

What's is your first language Pururun Nyan??

It's italian. I can speak a bit english but I can understand it when is spoken very well.

I mean I CAN'T sorry

I saw some episodes in Japanese, the only insterest  Ko'on no Kami shows in girls is A) When he wants some girl to die cause he believes she saw him crossdressing and B) When he wants to marry Usahime so he can be an Emperor.  

I think he also showed admiration for Polly in that episode when he wanted to create a female ninja team, but that was because Polly skills and because he didnt knew she was part of the Nyanki.

He didn't know she was part of the series?? ?:|

BlackCat, can you understand japanese?

he means that when they had Polly in that academy, they didn't knew it was Polly from the samurai pizza cats

Fixed...

The next time he will say that Harry, Ron and Hermione are belong to Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone instead Gryffindor...

I think there is no need to jump on him so much, everybody could mistake...anyway we are off topic

 Harry, Ron and Hermione belong to Harry Potter!