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1.Why doesn't Guido have a bell and how will he be contacted in an emergency?
2. Why were Guido and Polly easily defeated in "Bad Bird Uncaged part 1" when they have more than one
    attack each?
3. What will Guido's finisher in the Supreme Catatonic be like?
4. What happened to Bucky?
5. Does the pizza cat universe coexist with the human universe?

These are some questions, if possible which can be answered by anyone's point of view and if themselves have questions that need opinions or answers, post them in please.
I always seem to have unanswered questions so it's grand to hear opinions or possible answers. 

Opinions/Answers
1. I've always wondered that myself. Maybe he's so arrogant that he thinks he'll never need help from anyone.
2. Even if they both used all their attacks, I don't think they'd be able to beat Ultimate Armor Bad Bird anyway. It took all three of their finishers combined just to break his armor...
3. It would be totally awesome of course!
4. He must have gone to Extras Island.
5. If you go by the dub, it seems to. They refer to celebrities in our universe all the time.

Questions
* If Guru Lou has a mother-in-law (Bad Bird Uncaged Part 2), he must have, or at some point had, a wife. Who is she and what happened to her?

Guru Lou probably did something she was not comfortable with and she left him.
(You know what Lou is like with women).

Either that or his obnoxious nature put her off.
As for his annonymus mother-in-law, she probably lives far from Little Tokyo in one of those obscure japanese villages.

They could both be cats, but hen your guess is as good as mine.

This question is open to all opinions.

What would Guido's finisher be called?
I 've heard the likes of Azure Flame and Flaming Sword Crusher in fanfics, but even though I like the sound of those, how about this for a suggestion? Blue Blazing Blade!
Sounds cool huh? 8)

Polly's finisher is popularly known as the Heartbreaker in many fanfics.

i prefer "Azure Flame".

How can a young tanuki (raccon dog) confuse the Big Cheese with his original dad?
This was in "Son of Big Cheese" and I'm aware of interspecies connections, but still I'm not sure?

His mom was a tanuki wasn't she? It seems in this show that the children inherit the mother's species (Princess Vi is a rabbit, her mom is a rabbit, her dad is not a rabbit).

Although the thought that there is another character out there who physically resembles the Big Cheese is somewhat disturbing...

But in "Hot and cold kitties", the young aardvark strongly resembles his father and we don't see his mother.

And in a Bad Bird flashback when he was a chick, his father looks like an exact clone of the baddest bad guy in SPC (Bad Bird of course).

Junior gets his appearance from Mama-san, that's for sure.

This page of the SPC Impromanga (http://coffeewombat.tripod.com/comic2.html) does a good job of explaining the topic of interspecies children.

Well that still doesn't explain Sylvia's kid...

Of course they could just inherit the species of a random parent.

Or it still could be the mother. Since we never see Bad Bird's mother, nor the young aardvark's mother, we can't really say that their mothers were a different species from their fathers...

Heh, it'll end up being like cartoon Punett squares, dominant and submissive species genes.

Oh yeah that! "Haato Burekaa!!" Love that one!

In KNT it is actually called "Heart Breaker", in English even.

Vi beat me to it.

Not so much a mystery as it is some confusion.. I can't remember what Speedy's red back attachment actually did for him. Or any of the Cats' gratuitious armour attachments, really. So.. umm.. all that, with a ? at the end.

The circular object on Speedy's back is actually a jetpack, but to the best of my knowledge, it's only used during the KNT intro.

A good question that I believe was brought up by Tigriss...

What would happen if a Gender Bender Butterfly landed on The Big Cheese?!  :O

Nah, I think he's immune against them.

Here's a mystery...why does Lucille have a full set of digits whereas all the other characters have three fingers and a thumb, or less?

That's quite a mystery. I always thought she had three fingers plus one thumb like everyone else...?  ?:|

i agree on that. he really is a queer and eccentric guy, after all.

Puutaro-kun:

She has that configuration too :O 

I noticed the 4 fingers+thumb in the part of "Underground, Undercooked, Undercooked" where Bad Bird anounces that the gang have taken control of the metro and theres a shot of Lucille's reaction.

(http://img267.echo.cx/img267/766/lucillefive8nz.jpg)
OMG! You're right! That's so FREAKY!  8O

Yep that'd be the one.  Also in that episode have you noticed the guy without any hands (when the SPC slip past the guards to find the missing metro)?

Yep. Spotted that one too. Missing hands I can accept, but one extra finger? That's a little bit too weird!  :huh:

Yeah and what makes it more weird is that the number of fingers she has varies throughout the episode! You would have thought that it would have been picked up when it was edited but then again it adds to the randomness of the show ;)

Another thing...why does Al Dente where that strange, pharoh style hat when he goes out?

(EDIT: Fixed Al's last name spelling mistake for ya. ;))

i thought every character had 4 fingers  ?:| i guess sometimes they'd give them four fingers to make their drawing tasks a little more simple.

Oh no you didn't...

HAHA.. Turbos.. Stop making me laugh...!

In all honesty, I dunno what would happen, and I don't wanna know.

Burkey

I guess that The Big Cheese will change the gender of the Butterfly.  :)

Hmm... I think he'd probably turn into a duck... or... something.

i'm pretty sure he'd turn to an actual woman. he really is a guy, right?  :P

Hah, that was the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thanks for that one.

FMatsumoto wins.  :D

I decide to take a peek at the EE board just before bed after a particularly tiring day... and I see something that makes me "laugh out loud" for real! That made my day much better. I agree with D-Mac, and since I asked the question, I declare FMatsumoto the official WINNER! ^_^V

Perhaps only a mystery for me, but I'd like to know anyway! :D What's Polly's second name? Ester or Esther? On IMDB it says Esther. Is anybody sure? (I need to know it for my avatar ;)) Thanks!

IMDB and TVTome.com have made plenty of mistakes, including spelling errors. for years, i thought her last name was Esther, but it turned out that because Polly's whole name is a pun on "polyester", so i realized it's really "Ester".

It is indeed a play on the word "polyester", but that doesn't guarantee  her last name is spelled "Ester".
Heck, how can we be sure her first name isn't spelled "Poly"?  :P

Personally I spell it "Polly Esther". Spelled in that fashion, they're both fairly common names.

Something I think I'd heard once, but I'm not 100% sure on, is that "Esther" was the official spelling, but in scripts it was written as "Ester" to ensure the voice actors pronounced it properly. So either way could be considered correct.

Violet'll likely know more about this than I do.

Thanks guys for your replies. It's clearly a word play, but I always thought it was spelled Polly Esther. On the other hand I've seen it spelled like Ester many other times. Maybe I'll find out later! :D

I've heard the theory above, too. And while I may not do the answer as much justice as Vi, I thought I'd pitch in my two cents...  :)

I seem to recall that, back when the Samurai Pizza Cats were broadcast, the Closed Captioning option read Polly's name as "Polly Esther." However, I also believe (And on this I may be mistaken; I'm positive on the CC 'Esther') that the European re-packaging of Japanese KNT toys read, "Polly Ester."  ?:|

In the end, it probably just boils down to personal preference!

i think its spelt Polly Wester  of course the " w " is silent.

Is it OK if I just leave it at Polly Ester? ;)

There's still another mystery, for me at least. Is Big Cheese a rat or a fox? He looks like a fox, but I believe they say he's a rat (I don't really remember when or how.) My sister and I always wondered about that. So what's the deal? ?:|

In SPC he is officially a rat, but in the Japanese version he was a fox. Look at his fox tail. Being a rat in SPC fit with the name Big Cheese and maybe there were no good fox name jokes like that. The writers went with what they felt was better for the SPC show I guess.

Yeah leave it at Polly Ester, it will be fine. :)

As Adam said, he is a fox. :bigcheese: In KNT his name is Koon-no-kami, and in Japanese koon is a representation (onomatopoeia) of a sound that a fox makes (well, actually I never saw a fox, what kind of sound it makes?  ?:|). Koon-no-kami ends most of his speaking with 'o-koon'.
Besides, Al Dent in KNT is Wankoo-no-kami, and wan wan is the Japanese version of bow-wow.

Haha, I really didn't know that! Thanks so much for your explanation. I still don't understand why they made him a rat though, while he's clearly a fox. ?:|

i think they considered him a rat because 1) cats and rats are natural enemies, and 2) Big Cheese seems to be as dirty as one.

LOL, you're probably right.:D

I know I once mentioned this, how do you vision Guido's finisher with the Supreme Catatonic?
Anyone can describe a suitable or most likely finisher.

I tend to imagine it as a large version of his flaming sword.

Ester or Esther?  You're not wrong to use either one, but "Ester" seems to be the preffered spelling.  I've always gone with "Ester" because of the toy packaging, but "Esther" is used in the Saban Powerhouse comic.  So, use which ever one you like.

Big Cheese is a fox not only in the Japanese version, but in every version except the English one.  It's my theroy that the English writers automatically assumed he was a rat without getting a good look at his tail in the first episode, and by the time they figured it out, it was too late to change it, so they just went with it. 

For fan-fic writers who want to explain it away, you can say he's a fox but was adopted and raised by rats (I just made that part up of course).

I always though that this series was an opposotion to the eternal theme cats=bad, birds and mice=good... Here they had the cats as the good guys and also had birds as the bad guys< I guess they just wanted back this concept turning Koon a rat...

About the finish move of Guido in the Catatonic would be the same that he uses jumping and striking with the fish spear filled with blue flames...

Here's something interesting.
Hemets on, All 3 pizza cats have the same ear size as Francine's (who does not wear a helmet).

Helmets off, All 3 cats (but we see Polly's mostly) have smaller ears.

Perplexing or what?

not really becuase the helmets are not there heads. I think the ears act like a microphone or are used as special gadgets, like how Speedy used his as bug to here what the Big Cheese's plan was in one episode or somthing like that  :O

Until now I have seem only Polly without the helmet.  :polly: In what episode I can see other cats :speedy: :guido:  with helmet-less faces?

By the way, I have this theory: by using helmets during long time, the 3 cats haven't their ears grown properly. Hey, kids, don't use your helmet too long, or you will end with small ears!  :D

You don't really see episodes with Speedy & Guido helmetless.
But I have seen model sheets of SPC without armour (that includes helmets).
I admit I was surprised of the sheets of the two tomcats.

The helmet ears are primarily for the aesthetic look of the characters--in fact, they're canonically artificial (in one episode, Speedy removes one of his ears and plants it as a listening device).  Francine's probably look similar because the other Cats are virtually never seen without their helmets, so a change on her part would throw off the overall design.

While the Cats are seen without their armor in "Wet, Wild Weekend", the model sheets present a very different view of them: in the production models, the characters are completely devoid of both armor and skin, granting them a creepy, semi-skeletal look.  The sheets focus around the fact that the Cats (and everyone else in Little Tokyo) are cybernetic, something that the show tends to ignore.

Look at "Usa-Tama-Mitsu-Puru" doujin in the Violet's sites in this link (http://www.edoropolis.org/violet/library/mega/index.html). In the "Phone Call" page one wonders  ?:| how  :francine:  can hear the fone conversation, since the handset doesn't reach her ear.  Yeah, good question.  :D
In the same page one asks if Omitsu is female, why she has horns. It concludes that this show is careless (iikagen na bangumi).

I think I can help answer these questions.
Cats have good hearing so  :francine: can hear the phone even if not close to her ears. Plus (like on  :polly: without helmet) there are earplug like things at the side of head, but Fran does not these.

Some species of ewes (female sheep) have horns, so it may not be carelessness at all.

In fact just Speedy, Guido and Polly have the ears in that shape... if you see almost all the animaroids have the same ears than Fran...

Why does no one depict that the SPC work in a pizza emporium. It is clear as day since helmets are still worn. What's their big secret at not being notice at their part-time job?
Even Bad Bird didn't noticed.

For the fun and humour of the series. The Rude Noise notice later on, but it's just all a big ploy.

Burkey

And I shall quote the Narrator from SPC:29.  And he did say:

No one recognizes our Samurai heroes in their secret identities!
Don't ask me why, just one of the quirks of the show.

...And it was good.

The same happens in Sailor Moon; nobody recogize them although they are look identical with their secret identities... But here is more tridiculous cause anybody really notices this...

I laughed a lot in the chpter that Bad MAx look Speedy and Guido (Just thir heads) and think that are the SPC, but then look their bodies with the Pizza Parlor uniforms and think that was a fake alarm... Anyway he was smart to think this was weird and wento to the parlot to confirm this...

Here's an SPC Mystery...
How much does it cost Lucille to get re-loaded?

missiles that small would probably cost, like...2500 yen (about $25) or so per box.

25 bucks huh.. Next reload is on me! *gives the money over*

Hehe.. now to see some sucker get exploded good.

Burkey

Is there someone able to count the number of missiles launched by Lucille in the entire show?  :D Perhaps we can have a estimate of the overall cost to produce the SPC series.  :D

How can Guido & Polly gain Exra-topping armor without the use of Speedy's sword and the Supreme Catatonic?

MAN!! THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION!!  ?:|  (Unfortunately I haven't a theory about this  :O)

Guess what? The Mexican version says he's a rat too! Well - sort of. They never say what he is, but they do call him Big Cheese (Gran Quesote), which implies him being a rat. Then again, the dub was based on SPC, not KNT...

Regarding Lucille's fingers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/720419.stm
I believe that every character in the show has four fingers since they're, well, animals. Lucille was probably a fluke.


That's actually mentioned in the SPC game script!

One more mystery. :speedy: needs battery-like power suply and sun light to get his energy. Supposing that other animoloids functions in the same way, why they need to eat?  ?:| Are they eating food shaped nuclear fuel?  :O

Well, not everyone can shoot a giant laser from their swords, so I guess that's where the energy goes. :P

SCerviche and I have had the age old discussion many times.

Solar Powered Cats vs Solar Powered Armour.

And wouldn't you know, I forget which I one I believe in.. Hmm.

Burkey

haha the old argument when we first started chatting, i think i was on the Solar Powered Armour side of it but i cant really remember.

The cats are solar powered when theyre in their armour. Steel aint light. That or they serve some very sugary desert pizzas

Doraemon is another cartoon with robotic cat, but he has no feline ears that was eaten by mice. I read many years ago a manga with X-ray view of Doraemon, which showed his stomach as a nuclear reactor. The food was converted to energy by some kind of nuclear reaction. Is it possible the same principle be applied to the animaloids?  ?:|
To learn more about Doraemon, you can see this link (http://www.ex.org/4.8/35-manga_doraemon.html).

They're cybernetic?
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Excuse me, I'm gonna go crawl back under my little rock again...

My theory’s that they call him Rat just to annoy him and because is some kind of insult ^_-


The batteries and solar energy are for the armors, and maybe for the weapons. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have taken so long for Big cheese to discovered they where powered by Solar energy and batteries. The armors are so heavy that they can barely move when they have little energy left. And remember when they showed the cats defeating ninja crows without the battle armors^^

So THAT explains why Nobita is always the first one to get killed in the game...  (His stats are like '2' and everyone else's are like 300)



But, yeah, they're all robotic and stuff (kind of obvious from the joints, but it's easy to forget sometimes).  That's one of the reasons that some of the things on SPC remind me of Megaman.

Batteries:  I heard somewhere that the armors of the SPC and Rescue Team weigh, like, 500 pounds a piece.  They supposedly still function without their batteries, but they are impossible for the SPC to lift without a power source.  (Makes you wonder how everyone else, like Francine, seems to have no trouble lifting them.)

You mean, lift the pizza cats?, girls are strong in this show^_-. The SPC and the rescue team are the only ones who wears battle armor.

While they're wearing the armor, though...  I mean if it weighs that much and Francine only weighs some 30 pounds...  Can you see the physics here?

Francine doesn’t wear a battle armor. The “work” armor is light and not made for combat.

Yet, she is capable of almost putting Speedy (or was it Guido?...) through a wall...  That's the mystery.

Polly actually has battle armor (But I'm sure you meant her too.).


Oh, here's one.  Bad Bird decides that a night time arial attack is the best way to go with the SPC, so he hires the Rude Noise.  Well, the Ninja Crows fly and have been known to attack in the dark.  Why didn't they just use that strategy in the first place?

Don't know really. Maybe a change of mind on the script writers's part. A night fight between Rude Noise and Pizza Cats would be cool, effective and atmospheric.

Why would Seymour be ashamed of cross-dressing when exposed in "Kind of a drag", when he dresses up like a woman all the time?

What sort of shade is Francine's eyes? I know they're purplish (though I thought they were blue at first for some reason), but they seemed to be lavender and in some cases, violet.

He likes doing it, but if it became public knowledge, it would politically damage him (More so in KNT than SPC).  He doesn't mind his inner circle seeing him like that, and he does like to go out in public like this, but disguised to the point where people won't know who he really is.

And in some cases, Violet is the one you turn to for these questions.
They are a blue/grey.  Of course, different arists will have slight variations

i think the appearance of every character in an SPC or KNT episode could vary on any of the following:

the artists who made the designs for the episode, the director of that episode, and the animation studio that produced it.

like you said, different artists have slight variations, and i think they have different styles of coloring and character design, too.

In the same episode, not only :lucille: has an extra finger, but :violet: too. Have the same artist drawed them?

I think the extra fingers were just from drawing too fast.  The artists are all used to drawing hands with 4 fingers and a thumb, so it would be easy to slip up.

do they sometimes draw characters with three fingers and a thumb, too? the way i heard, it was only to make things a little easier. i remember seeing Princess Vi with three fingers and a thumb in "Field of Screwballs", when she was waving her hand downwards in what looked like a beckoning hand signal (in Japanese culture, that is).

Yes, the 3 fingers + thumb hand is normal for all SPC characters.  The four fingered hands are the one's drawn by accident.

Because everyone knows that the standard ninja crows are weak They are a parody of the easy to defeat robot ninjas in the original Ninja Turtles cartoon.

Gotta love those foot soldiers. Weird purple suited guys that never talked as far as I recall.

That's from every cartoon!  Any villian's henchmnen are always .a bunch of dopes.  SPC is NOT influenced by TMNT!  No one in Japan at the time KNT was being made gave a ___ about the Ninja turtles.  They probably did have some influence on Saban to bring that type of anime over and dub it, but not on the anime itself!  KNT would have exisited exactly the same way if TMNT had never exisited, no one in Japan cares about it.

Sorry, this is one of my "pet peves".

God I loved TNMT.

Then explain the TMNT reference in the first episode and some others things that have been already talked a lot. KNT wasn’t a ninja turtles parody, it just parodied everything they could, TMNT was just one of the things they parodied(two parodies, one in the first episode and other when they where in the servers). Maybe the ninja crows weren’t inspired by the purple ninja bots in ninja turtles, but it parodies the way Occident uses ninjas in movies. It doesn’t matter that becoming a ninja takes lots of years of hard training, the hero beats them easily in American “Karate” movies. Marvel does that a lot, Spiderman and Wolwerine beat ninjas easily, yeah they have superpowers, but still, is not an excuse. And yeah, Galactor henchmen where easily beaten by the Gachaman(G-force) but like the KNT they had special suits, and those henchmen didn’t have a training as hard as ninjas. In fact most of them where brainwashed, but that’s enough about Gachaman for now^_-.

Ah.. did you know KNT designs where inspired by the 1989 SD Gundan Ova?. At least the flying armors...

         I know that Guido's hair is brown, polly's hair is red. But what colour has speedy's hair? ?:|

                     ;] mauwra

Show me the "TNMT reference" in KNT #1 please.  I really don't think the Japanese creators didn't have enough influnce from Japanese shows and culture and needed to turn to a stupid over commercialized American kid's show that wasn't on in Japan for ideas.  Maybe, perhaps, TMNT might have ripped off some stuff from other Japanese influnces that KNT also includes.  But even comparing Pizza Cats to Ninja Turtles should get you sent to Extra's Island.  Sorry, I know a lot of you like it, but I really hate that show.

By the way, real ninjas were nothing like in the movies, sure some were very skilled, but a lot of them were just peasants that happened to have weapons.  (in fact many "ninja weapons" are actually farming tools)  They played only a very minor role in Japanese history.

Black

I have seen only Polly's hair. The other two always wear helmet, so how you can know their hair color? Sorry my ignorance.

They don't know.  They are just guessing based on the colors you can see.  There are model sheets and fan made doujin that show the guys without their helmets, but not in color.  But they do have samurai style hair, (like Al Dente), so it should probably be dark colors like Black or Brown.

that, or maybe he's bald. why else would he never take his helmet off?  :P

Dark colours I agree. Yet, I have some clues while observing the male members of the NY Pizza Cats since they have the same facial colour as their Japanese counterparts. So it may be likely for Guido to have dark chocolaty hair whilst Speedy's hair is plain brown.
Bad Bird Unleashed showed signs of hair on Speedy (through a crack in his helmet), but I doubt they're his. The ending scene was confusing as he did not even cracked his helmet, unless it was a cutout scene from KNT, then your guess is as good as mine.

Espionage and assassination wasn’t a minor part in Japanese story, but if you want to believe most ninjas where just farmers dressed in black, do it. And that old turtle in KNT 1 was there to mock the ninja turtles.

Or... Just maybe... it could've been coincidence.  :O

So, of all the different types of animals in Edoropolis, a turtle can only possibly be there because of TMNT?  I suppose all the rabbits are there because of Bugs Bunny.  And Yattarou & Sukashii are rip-offs of the Swat Kats, right?

You can't learn real history from movies and a few web pages.  Can you name one important Japanese leader who was killed by ninjas?   But as you say, you're welcome to believe what you like.

If only...
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21573926/


The old turtle guy in KNT 01 is more than likely a coincidence, as he didn't resemble the TMNTs at all, aside from the fact that he was a turtle.

Turtles are supposed to move slowly. Old people are also supposed to move slowly. I assume the "joke" was that he couldn't move fast enough to avoid the falling rubble, unlike all the other citizens.

The possible TMNT reference in KNT 03's sewer scene is a bit more plausible, but I'm still uncertain as to whether it's a coincidence or not.
I'll eventually re-post the comparison pictures that I'd had up on SPCU.
Eerily similar.

Well, poisoning counts?.

Ninja turtles was made before KNT, Swat kats was made after KNT, in 1992 or 1993 I think…

And since you totally ignored the SD Gundan resemblances,and my whole Gachaman bla bla bla I guess you aren’t paying attention.

I never said KNT copied the ninja turtles, I just said they parodied them at least 2 times. The whole “Alien pig” episode could be taken as some kind of ET reference.

Where did I ever say Gundam wasn't an influence?  I ignored it because I don't dispute that.  Lots of anime mecha is influenced by Gundam (But not "Gundan", no one has heard of that)

are you sure all that is true, Blackcat? i don't see how any of it is either, and since Vi feels so ticked off about everything you said, i'll have to take her word for it. so, could we all do ourselves a favor and switch to another SPC mystery question?

Here is a hard question, name a singer or a group that did at least one KNT song and at least one Saber marionette J song.

So this cats hair discussion seems to be a guesswork. OK, that's really a mistery.
Interesting the artwork of the link given by D-Mac, Yattarou in samurai costumes. I have imagined how Edoropolis could be after the comet incident. After his identity being exposed, Yattarou :speedy: could not continue as ninja (spy), but eventually the new roojuu (Shogun's counselor) Wankoo-no-kami (Al Dent) would hire him as samurai (warrior).

Since the "Alien Pig" was mentioned, here's a bit of KNT trivia for you.  That pig character was not designed by anyone at Tatsunoko.  The studio held a contest for kids to design a character to appear on the show.  The winning entry was the pig.

Polly hair is red, since Speedy is some kind of parody of the typical leader his hair must be black, and since Guido is the typical rival in love/ sidekick his hair must be brown. Brown haired leaders weren’t usual in 1990 anime, and since KNT intended to mock a lot of elements in sentai/mecha anime Speedy Hair must be black.

Have I talked about the "Macross" love triangle? Speedy ends with the girl he works with, instead of the singer (Lucille). And Guido ends alone…

Here's a mystery for you folks...

After the elixer had worn off from "Youth is for exploding" what kept Polly, Francine, and Lucile from beating the living who-hah outa Guru Lou?

Being really tired for running a lot, that’s why the beating happened off screen...

I watched the KNT version of the episode, instead SPC, where :gurulou: says to :speedy: and :guido: that after the effect of the elixir has gone, probably the girls will be more thin. If it's true, they will not bash Guru Lou, but will be grateful to him.

Ooooo~ Sensei's insinuating that the girls were fat!

All I know is if I were Polly, Francine, Lucille, or their KNT counterparts, I'd make sure Lou'd never try that crap again.
(Unless ASKED)

My latest mystery...Wings.
Has anybody noticed that the avian characters of SPC have different sets of wings. Like for instance:
Carla- Wings for arms, not seen flying.
BB, Gerry, Rude Noise- Wide feathery wings set on back with normal arms.
Ninja Crows- Moth-like wings set on back, normal arms.

All of them are supposed to be crows, but why have wings in different body areas and why do the ninja crows have bug/fairy wings?
BB always had wings in his back, even as a kid while Carla's had them for arms. All witnessed in "All you need is love".
Do the wings symbolise the role of each ninja-trained birds?

I think it's more likely they were just drawn the way the character designer thought looked good, and it doesn't really symbolize anything, except maybe that since the ordinary ninja crow's wing design is the simplest, they look more "mass produced".

What Vi's said is a pretty good explanation. ^_^

If you're looking for a "Universe"-type theory, then perhapse wings are a level of status. At least in the Ninja-crow league.

As for why Carla wouldn't have a set of separate wings... Well... Umm...
Hmm....

Or, it could be possible that she just didn't want wings and arms.
*Shrugs*

This is a reply to a misplaced thread (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=69.msg4450#msg4450 (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=69.msg4450#msg4450)), I am obeying moderator's advise (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=69.msg4474#msg4474) to post here (sorry, Violet and Kyo).
Yes, Puutaro-kun, that picture (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=69.msg4471#msg4471) really shows the :speedy: being shorter than :polly: .  One more mistery, the contradiction between 'Meka meka ninpoo hidentyou' and the drawings.

Kyo's right. This debate belongs in this topic (rather than the couples one), so here goes...

:speedy: Length: 133cm?
:polly: Length:: 130cm?

Image:
(http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/9637/sizecomp8di.jpg)
My conclusion: No way! :speedy: is the shorty!

:D

Tis no problem Sensei. Just wanted to get you guys to start posting in a more appropriate thread.  :-*
No wrath shall be brought down upon anyone.  ;]

Well, I always thought that Carla wasn't a crow, maybe a dove or something more... Her wings are different to the Ninja Croiwns same that her colors...

Carla is a crow, her Japanese name "Okara" comes from the Japanese word for crow (Kara).  I think they used her wings as arms because the feathers give the appearance of a girl's long kimono sleeves.

See the picture taken from KNT episode, is  :speedy: blonde haired?
Actually there is a mistake in this episode, when Nyanki and Otama is over the bridge in the ending sequence. Speedy's helmet isn't even scratched, but after Otama's speech Speedy pull his hair through the crack of his helmet.
I can't comment about the SPC version, as I haven't this video file.

Perhaps. I don't want the risk to call Lucille short (because missiles hurt a lot  :D ).

If you look closely at that scene, the blond hair is taped to his helmet.  I don't think it's his, he just put it there to imitate someone.

It seems like a little joke, the hero being able to brush at his hair but it being a hastily taped on prop. Then it vanishes in the next scene.

Oops I forgot, haven't watched that in a while.

Violet and Adam's interpretation seems to be more correct than the Cartoonking's, the helmet isn't cracked and the hair is taped on it. However the hair doesn't vanishes as said by Adam, at least in the KNT version. The animations below shows that.

(http://www.quimica.ufpr.br/~fmatsumo/knt/MoreSpeedyHair.gif)

I think was last part was cut out because a) It was too Japanese (how the heck they could explain the paper lams there?) and B) They ended most episodes with the clip of speedy falling of the bridge.

I think Speedy looks good with blonde hair. I wish those boys would take of their helmuts once in a while. Isn't it stuffy on the brain? ;)

What brain?

Burkey

Talking about brain, where's the brain of :lucille: ? It seems to have no enough space in her head to hold a brain.

Burkey, congratulations, the 4444th post is yours. Has such number some mystical meaning?

Ever heard of microchips?, they are part robot after all...l

there's one thing that i've been curious about lately.

in the original KNT version, Tanken! Otenba Hime no Yuuenchi (Let the Cellar Beware!) was considered episode #5, and Idol Tanjou? Geinoukai no Amai Wana (Singing Samurai Sensation) was listed as #6. In SPC, however, the first was listed as #6, and the other #5. :huh:

Actually you got it backwards. In original KNT ep 5 was the one with Mipple. In more than one Japanese KNT ep list it says this.

http://www.interq.or.jp/ito/reichan/top/50a/titka/ki/teyande.html
http://homepage1.nifty.com/harinoue/actress/anime/anime/cattou_ninden.html
Plus, watch the end of ep 4. It says the upcoming episode is Idol Tanjou? Geinoukai no Amai Wana.

It is Saban that made it ep 6.

Actually you can think she's empty head, as suggested by this manga from Violet's Internet Empire (http://www.edoropolis.org/violet/library/manga/manga21.html).  :D


I've just systematized my SPC episodes numbering (see here (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=187.msg4655#msg4655)), then I lern about an inversion of order like that. Well, things is turning more complex than I expected.

whoops, you're right about that :S i forgot which orders Tatsunoko and Saban had their versions in. me and my memory lapses XP

How does Francine always know who to send in when they call for a member of the rescue team?  ?:|

Really a good question.  ?:|
We must hear the bell for differents rescue team member, perhaps there is a small shift in the sound frequency. It isn't a good theory, but its only one I got.  =]

Mmmm.... it can either be that like in the same fashion as Morse Code, only with bells or just good guessing or observation of area like if underground, send Meowsma.

Anyway, here's another one.

In "Bad Bird Uncaged Part 1", Polly & Guido are in uniform before their encounter with the stranger. Was a night patrol recommened by Big Al. If so, why wasn't Speedy with them?

I didn't watch SPC version, but KNT one instead. One of the cats (Sukashii or Pururun, I don't remember) points out that the ideia of the night patrol came from Yattarou. Other cat wonders why Yattarou isn't with them then, and get the answer that Yattarou have the habit to go to bed at 8:00 pm. The sleeping time of Yattarou is pretty odd, for a pizza shop worker.  ?:|

A really gopod question could be where is from the Catatonic Spirit (Kuroi Busho)? The only we know about this guy is that he is the only true samurai cat in the serie...

This is another mistery... Megumi Hayashibara did a role in KNT; who had her voice????

The "evil-mecha-of-the-week" from episode 26 "Daibouken! Zekko-chou wo Sagase". Its name was Chomoranma Nibunnoichi-gou (No. 1/2)

Sometime ago we discussed about the ears of the cats. As you can see in the pics from KNT 30, it seems that sounds hurts the ears (?) at both sides of head, but not those on the top.

Or it could be the fact that their heads feel like splitting open because of the terrible noise.  :O

I noticed that throughout the entire series, Polly was the only one ever seen without a helmet on. Why did Speedy and Guido never take them off? Were they bald or something and trying to hide it?

Well, I don't think Speedy was bald at least. I remember coming across a picture of him where it looked like he had some hair coming out of a taped-up crack in his helmet...It was a light brownish colour...But still, I can't help but wonder about it.

We discussed about this sometime ago. See here (http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=71.msg4527#msg4527).

When you live with a person who likes kick your ass everyday you need all the protection you need...

Speedy and Guido have traditional hairdos (Is this the word) of the antique Edo...

Here's a mystery for discussion...

Polly's strength. I'm talkin about those leathal weapons called her bare hands.
Forget her claws... she could probably crush wind-pipes like be.... pop cans!

How do you suppose she got that way, and why?

I mean... It's obvious she's done some heavy stuff, I'm just wondering if you think she's been doing it all her life, or ever since the day she woke up and said "I'm gonna be a Samurai!"

Probably each cat had natural talents that was improved by ninja tranining. Speedy is a skilled sword fighter. Guido performs his tricks with umbrella. For Polly/Pururun... remains only the brute force.  :D Well, to scratch enemies I bet one needs a lot of muscular power, so her strenght is a prerequisite to perform "kaki mushiri" (according to "Meka meka ninpou hidentyou", Pururun can scratch even a titanium armour easily).

from what i've seen in the Senior Nyanki comic at Princess Vi's Library ( http://www.edoropolis.org/violet/library/teyaro/index.html ), the Nyanki/Pizza Cats must be less than 20 years old. the first page says that the doujin takes place 50 years after an overjoyed Omitsu/Lucille totaled Edoropolis with her nuclear missile. in the doujin, Sukashii is 67 years old, and Pururun is 66 years old. but, i didn't see an age for Yattarou, but he must be at least 66 years as well. of course, since this is a doujin, the Nyanki/Pizza Cats' original ages may not be in their late teens.

That's true, but remember, doujin comics are made by fans, they probably don't know the cat's ages any more than you do.  Maybe they had inside information, or maybe they're just taking a wild guess.

i think they were taking a guess, now that you mention it. :S

Without her combat armor, Polly is not that strong. Or you can hear that rumor about her father being a karate teacher and her momma being the strongest woman in the world^_-. But to be honest think her huge strength may have been a idea of Satoru Akahori, he used that in SMJ a few years later after all.

Could be that Polly had trained Kempo in her younger years? After all 50% of her combat scratch and throw th heart shuriken... Obviously she isn't so good with the sword like Speedy and Guido but she can have martial arts skills in change...

Dude, Guido is the worst with the sword, that’s why he uses a iron umbrella, his combat style is the use of a heavy weapon that can be used for defense and offence. Or at least that should be based on that weapon, the things one learn in internet…

Polly has greater skills in swordplay than Guido, that’s why she controls the Catatonic sword.

You need to go and watch No Talent Guido.  =]

He also used his sword to pretty much destroy the garbage robot in Destructo Robots At Popular Prices..

not to mention the Rude Noise in part 2 of The Great Comet Caper.

"My name is Pururun/Polly Grand mother of Justice."  :D That's too funny!

In relation to the spelling of Polly's last name, can someone tell me if :guido:'s last name is spelled either 'anchovy' or 'anchovie'?

I remember how in "Pizza Cats are only Humans # 2 Guido is battling against 2 of the Rude Noise while Polly fights one of them and Speedy avoids Bad Max... Remember that Guido is Nyankee NI Go, this could be Number two of the Nyankee... At least I think this...

Here's a mystery

Who the heck are the Tanuki mother & kid that appears in every episode?

The answer is very complicated, but what is known about them is that they leave remarks after a regular launch. They are just comedy relief. That is all I know about them.  No possible relations were mentioned.

You got it.

Burkey

Isn't a mistery, they live next door...

Ohh Ohhh heres a good one for you all, in SPC episode, Underground Underwater and Undercooked the pizza cats have lights built into thier heads when in just normal work cloths. but in the Pizza Cats Are Only Human polly complains that no-one has a flashlight. If you have one built into the helmit, and in the trasformation sequence nothing changes with it, how do ya lose a flashlight?

They just forgot in the heat of the battle I suppose.

Burkey

Yep, just like they forgot their hover shoes when they ran from Lucille's rockets in Underground, Underwater, Undercooked

It has long been believed that the Big Momma's a spy from another television network, and the little guy is actually a test driver for Mitsubishi.

But don't let 'em know you've caught on... O_O... The corn has ears....

I have two questions that have been weighing on my mind.

1. Is the Samurai Pizza Cats (Not KNT) American or Canadian or both?

2. Where is Little Tokyo? In Big Cheese's High Definition TV, they say that it is in New Jersey.

i haven't seen "Big Cheese's HDTV" in a while, so i don't think i could answer #2. but, i can answer the first.

although SPC was produced by Saban Entertainment, based in Burbank, California, USA, the entire voice cast was Canadian.

Is the humor in the show typical of Canada or the US?
(I wanna know if I should watch more Canadian TV)

U.S. tv is better than Canadian tv, especially if you have digital cable.  It is very specialized.  For example I get 3 channels that show nothing but anime, 4 that show old cartoons, and 7 that show hockey.  It all depends what service you have.  When I visit Canada every year I see mostly the same stuff our regular tv has just a little different.

Washrooms, REPRESENT.

Burkey

Whoa. I had no clue "washroom" wasn't used in the states.  :O

Personally, I and most people I know only call public ones washooms. The ones in homes and hotel rooms are bathrooms. :D

Another one I've heard but never really verified yet, is that most Canadians pronounce the word "adult" as Ah-dult, while Americian say "uh-dult". I still say uh-dult though.

About TV again, I think Canadian TV in general is pretty lousy. And our "Teletoon" sucks when compared to Cartoon Network.
Zero anime, No Ed Edd n Eddy shown in years (even though its creator is from Toronto  :O), no SWAT Kats. We get NFL games on Fox, ABC and CBS affiliates, but none of those uber new awesome commercials everyone goes on about. =(


And to answer konnokami's question...


SPC's humor is definitely American centric. What with all the references to names like Clint Eastwood, Muhammad Ali, and Fred Astair.

The only Canadian referencial joke I can think of was from Bad Bird in Hot and Cold Kitties

"Now you know what it's like to live in Quebec. Perhaps now you'll learn to speak en français. Give us the secret, or you'll be eating crêpes, pal!"

And Quebec is barely Canada, in my personal opinion.  :P

If the humor had more Canadian influence, you'd probably hear more jokes about, umm... hockey (I can't stand that game), Canadian politicians, Newfies (people from the province of Newfoundland), and uh... whatever else Canadians talk about aboot.

Good point, but I always thought that it was Canadian humor geared towards Americans.
Of course I haven't really been exposed to Canadian humor, so I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

Here's a question for those in the know. 

In Youth is Exploding who is the robot supposed to be when Lucille manages to return the volleyball and there is a close up shot of it?  It's about 7 or 8 mins in.  It's completely random!

I always thought that it was just the captian with his hat off.
Maybe he's tipping his hat to Lucille for a job well done.

Maybe but his when it zooms out is face is the same as it was before.

ah discrepencies XD I havnet noticed that..I should check it  =]
At least there are less stuff ups than there are in the transformers show 0_0

Well, we all know that the Supreme Catatonic apparently got blown up when the comet exploded, but what I don't understand is what's that big flash that brings Speedy and Bad Bird back to Earth? Just what happened exactly?

Magic.


when somthing unexplainable ever happens, its always becuase of magic.

A wizard did it.

OMG, Harry Potter did it!

Burkey

In "The Cheese Who Stole Christmas" why is Santa a human?

Because he's not a character from the show, but from western mythology.

*frustration*  :( Just when I was thinking that Santa got a key to travel from the human world to the animaloid world.

Isn't the warrior on Mt. Kutchi a human?

Did you know that there is a eastern egg hidden in the "Double trouble for Princess Vi" episode. Near at 240 second of the episode one could find only one frame, where is showed a hidden picture of a series female character. WARNING: this could be unsuitable for younger audience. Depending how the video file was encoded this picture could be missed, so it's better to watch the VHS or DVD.

I request a hyperlink to this picture, preferably on a picture-hosting site with a large "POSSIBLY NOT SAFE FOR WORK" text.

*Pulls out DVD collection* Bah, now you have me all curious...

EDIT: Nope, I see no sign of anything. I think this is an April Fools prank by our old friend here. ;)

Burkey

Yes, you got it, Burkey.  ;) It's not original, since I see the same thing about "The Lion King".

Actually, if you do look, there are a few hidden things in The Lion King.

Disney is pretty perverted. More than you think.

Burkey

Well, when they have just converted to battle mode, they have been seen striding up a chute into three, large bullet capsules. That is only seen in a few episodes though.
And anyway, the gun cannon moves directly to the top of the parlour, also seen a few times. Hope that explains it.

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The light is not powerful enough, is la indicator of the power level, like in my Gameboy advance. And about the “hover shoes "yeah is true, I still remember how bad bird forgot he could fly.

Yeah, the gun is down there until the whole gun (with the cats inside) raises to the roof.

Here's a legit "secret character" mystery for you. I believe that this was discussed at length on another forum, but as far as I know, the issue was never resolved.

Take a close look at the KNT intro. About ten seconds in, watch for a close-up shot of Yattarou that pans back to reveal a group picture of several main characters. Standing directly in front of Sukashii is a small child wearing what looks like a replica of Yattarou's helmet.

Who is that?  ?:|

Next is not so much a mystery as a simple question. In one episode, Guido dupes Polly into believing that Bad Bird and Speedy are brothers. Polly makes the awed comment that "they look alike" before Guido reveals his ruse, causing Polly to clobber him. Then Polly says something that is rendered partially unintelligible by background noise in the same scene... something like "You're gonna rot for a hundred years, Guido!"

Does anyone know what Polly's actual line is here?

I'm sure she said "You gonna love washing dishes for a hundred years, Guido!"
I've picked the dishes part up when I heard it.
A normal punishment at restaurants (other than cleaning the toilets like poor Speedy) is washing dishes.
Lucky for Guido, that was all forgotten throughout the rest of the episode. Although, he probably had a bath after his "^Stale Kitty Litter" attack.

Which brings my question up. As we all know, SPC was meant to be comedic & silly, so that kitty litter attack would've been funny, but what was the attack Sukashii (Guido as well) used. By that I mean, in the more down-to-earth KNT, how did he use the stinking attack, did he did what I think did?

 =]"I kept it inside for so long."

I've been told this is a representation of one of KNT's creators, drawn as an animalroid.  I'm guessing it is Hamada Yoshimi (who made the early manga) or Tenko (who designed the characters the way they appear in the anime).

Forgive me for bringing up an older part of this topic, but in regards to Speedy's jetpack, I believe Polly might have one as well. She has a similar structure on the back of her armor, although hers is triangular rather than round (I guess it's good fashion for Pizza Cats' jetpacks to match their visors?). It even appears to have two nozzles on the underside, just like Speedy's. I can't recall whether Guido has anything similar, because he usually has the umbrella sheath on his back.

I had also been wondering about the discrepancy between the the production drawings and shows' versions of the cats' "naked" bodies, I'm glad someone else noticed this. If you look closely at Speedy's foot during the "suiting up" sequence, you can see that it is paw-like with three toes, just like the production drawings. Yet at one point in-show, we see them with human-like feet with four toes.

I have a theory that I think might explain the discrepancy, though. Since Animaloids are cybernetic/mechanical/robotic/whatever adjective you wish to use, I think it might be possible that they actually have swappable body parts. In many cases, their clothing looks mechancial, often as if it's something intergrated into their overall structure, rather than something that's simply worn. And in fact, just last night, I was watching the KNT version of the Double Date episode, and heard something that I think might support this. When Yattarou and Omitsu are in the store looking at clothes, the narrator pops in with the usual "Setsumei shiyou!" ("Allow me to explain!") He then proceeds to say something involving "Animaloid", "mecha", and "attachment" (yeah, that's all I could make out. Me no good at Japanese :P).

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that instead of wondering "Which shoes should I wear today?", Animaloids might wonder "Which feet should I wear today?"

I think Guido also has one but is the smallest and holds the compartment of his umbrella; the Guido¿s pack also is triangle-shaped I guess...

The jetpacks were also used in episode 15: The Case of the Bogus Billionaire, storing the ... um... "eyes of the legendary catbird" (aka The Pizza Eye) :huh:.

Either way, does anyone know the relationship between the symbols on the pizza cat's armour?
(http://www.two4u.com/pizzacats/pics/pizzacats.jpg)
Polly has a triangle on her helmet, and a circle at her waist.  Speedy has that same circle on his forehead, and a triangle on his breastplate, and Guido has a gem shape on his helmet, and a larger triangle on his chest.


Anyone know anything?

I took a screenshot that gives a pretty good view of Guido's "jetpack".
(http://home.mchsi.com/~mbiddinger/snapshot20060912131315.jpg)
Just like the other two cats, its shape matches the shape of the lens on his visor. Interestingly, there's no apparent trace of thruster nozzles like on Speedy's or Polly's.

As for those shapes... I'm not sure what they represent other than the 3 main cats themselves (Circle = Speedy, Triangle = Polly, Diamond = Guido). Not only do the shapes show up on each cat's visor and backpack, they also adorn each cat's respective oven chute. The circle on Polly's waist and the triangles on Speedy's and Guido's chests are just coincidence, I think.

The shapes represent the cats as identification devices but I doubt they have any real hidden meanings or symbolism, although we can always come up with theorys and explanations they are speculations and assumtions at best.  The animators probably put them there as nothing more than stylistic add-ons to the mecha-themed armor.  The colors of the armor on the other hand do represent the personality and gender roles of the cats.
:speedy: or white = leader/ focus/ purity/ concept of 1
:polly: or pink = female / lively / short tempered
:guido: or blue = cool / collected/ smooth

Here was a good theory about that...

http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=819.0

I recently came across a very nice image (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/felineki/KNTscreens/136341512_189.jpg) of the scene in the KNT intro that features the unknown character discussed a few posts above, thought I'd share it so you can get a better look if you're interested.

Is not really a hidden character, just a cameo.

Nice helmet, kid.

When I look at the char, the word "dork" comes to mind.

 ::)

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/659/odditiesvs9.jpg)
Left to right:
Shot of Polly in Episode 11 (And an intresting caption.)
Money of Little Tokyo (What does it say on it?)
Mistake with colouring (And an odd result)
What Does EIZU mean?
Bug with sunglasses seen with mother and son (my next avatar)
and at night

Neat stuff, eh?

In reference to the previous posts about the armour placement/launch sequence: how, when the bullet canister things are placed into the launcher in the order of Speedy, Guido and Polly, does Polly get fired before Guido? ?:|

I remember there was a discussion on those "schematic" pics already in another thread. Just in case anyone missed it, "oppai" is Japanese for "boobs".  :D And "XXXX"... well, I think you can figure that out. Her ear was also labeled as "mimi" ("ear").

"Eizu" means "AIDS". For some reason, all of the labels on Sukashii's pic refer to various diseases or medical ailments. His foot was also labeled "mizumushi" ("athlete's foot"), his chest as "kekkaku" ("tuberculosis"), and his head as "nō shuyō" ("brain tumor").

For completion's sake, Yattarou's head was labeled "aho manuke" ("foolish blockhead/dunce"), his torso as "harahetta" ("I'm hungry!"), his crotch as "kintama" ("(gold) balls"), and his head profile as "okane ga hoshii" ("wants money").

As for the money... from what I can tell, the yellow ones are marked "ichi man", meaning ten thousand (10,000). The green ones are marked "ichi sen", meaning one thousand (1000).

Interestingly enough, the cats' tails are all colored yellow on their "Edo-Mae Set" toys as well.

I remember seeing that bug a couple times, but I never noticed it had sunglasses. Very interesting!

Man, those schematic labels are harsh.  :-[

I know man. I want to kill the person who did that to Polly. It's like they're saying those are her only interesting features. It's SEXIST! Polly is the ultimate bad-ass and they're treating her like some object. I'M GONNA KILL THEM!

They're just jokes, you know.  :P

The plight of the objectified ninja girl.

Even better: why doesn't the cannon rotate when Fran's screen does?

Plot holes is all.

I'm still trying to figure what the yellow part of the bug is.

But who is that character with Fred's sword? (and on the topic of Fred, does he speak normally in KNT?)

Most big shot nobles of the Edo era would have a retainer to sit near them and keep their sword handy.  That's Fred's sword, but he's too important to be bothered carrying it himself.  And, no, he doesn't speak normally in KNT.  He usually just throws in a "Baka!" or "Aho" to comment on the activities going on around him.

There are times though, that I've seen him speaking for several seconds instead of just a one or two word sentence.

Lets go for another plot hole  with the cannon:  When the pizza cats jump into the ovens, they go forward quite a bit, the down a lot more:  why do they then climb at a 45 degree angle up the tube?  They'd miss the cannon by a mile.

Are you sure? I don't remember that. Only in the final sequence of the ending episode of KNT series one can watch Usahime speaking anything (but unintelligible) and Ieie saying ('honto wa shabererunda' = 'actually I can speak').

Actually they don't enter into the oven, but into rubbish disposal chute instead; I've learned that when read the KNT 31 script scans kindly suplied by  :violet:.

The episode was Unidentified Flying Oddballs, when Fred speaks nonsense to the aliens for a bit. I don't know if he was saying nonsense in KNT as well(I haven't watched the original of that episode), but it looked to me like he was speaking.

It still caused everyone to fall over, though. ;)

In the KNT version the aliens spoke Ie-Ie's language. :)

Theres still the question of how the tunnel would reach the bullet chamber (and why the chamber is bigger on the outside than the inside.

But a more important question remainds: are mama-san and junior dogs, or beavers?

I don't think you can really come up for an explanation for the whole "suting up" sequence. Flying down vast tunnels and chutes at high speeds just looks cool and that's all there is to it, IMO. :P

Mama and junior are tanuki, I think. "Raccoon dogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_Dog)".

The cats jumping into the chutes reminds me of the opening to Getter Robo Go.

Right, this is my first thread on here. I know there is no real answer for this, but I just want your opinons on this. Why do all of you think :speedy: and :guido: are so shy when it comes to removing their helmets? I mean, what are they so shy to show us? Do they have a bad haircut? Do they think their head is too out of proportion with the rest of their body? What do you think?

Because Polly keeps hitting them with frying pans when they're not expecting it.

I think that's as good a reason as any. Want to keep as much protection as possible, because you never know when she's going to strike next. :P As for the "bad haircut" angle, there were some model sheets drawn up for the studio that show what their heads look like helmetless, and, well, they don't pull off the look quite as well as Polly, IMO.

This is it? They were scared and shy about taking off their helmets just bceause of this?! I think they look quite okay. I mean, their ears are shorter than normal, but who cares? Also, would this be what :speedy: and :guido: would look like without their armor too? Because they don't look like their wearing much! 8O

They don't like taking off their stuff because like the Big Cheese they look too much like stick figures.

I got a mystery for you all. What ever happened to Bucky? Gender Bender Butterflies had a happy ending with Bucky changing back to normal. Yet in the next episode Francine is single again. What gives?

Someone should write a fan fiction about what happened with Bucky.

Here is my interpretation: *I may be using terminologies that could be considered inappropriate for this forum* *I honestly don't know* *There have been inconsistencies in what has been allowed and what has been censored* *Live and learn is what I say* *Trial and error are the essence of scientific method*

***
Back at Francine's apartment and after many hours of love making.

Francine: Oh! Bucky I love you! You are the best thing to ever happen to me! I will love you forever!

Bucky: I love you to kitten.

*kisses*

Francine: Bucky dear, it would make me sooo happy if you came to the Pizza Cat for launch every day. You know, Hang out with me and my friends for an hour. What do you say?

Bucky: Sorry honey, I can't do that.

Francine: Why not!?

Bucky: I can't eat at Pizza Cat. Your pizzas give me heartburn.

Francine: HEARTBURN!!

Bucky: But I don't see why...

Francine: GET OUT! GET OUT NOW! GET OFF MY BED!

Bucky: WHAT!!

Francine: YOU HEARD ME! Nobody talks about my restaurant like that! I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR FACE EVER AGAIN!

***

Heartburn... lol

I can see that happening. :D While she's not quite as prone to them as Polly, Francine does have her own outbursts at times.

I tend to disagree. I think they look alright, their helmets sometimes in my opinon, make their heads look out of proportions. I mean, if anyone's head is out of proportion, it would have to two people I know of. Big Cheese, since your cybernetic, please, get a new head!

We want you too as well Connan O' Brian! Maybe me's cybernetic too!

This should be formed into the properly named "SPC Mysteries Thread." I'm sure there are greater mysteries than yours.  ::)

Burkey

In the KNT nothing happened to him, since one can see in the KNT 52 (Koon-no-kami Shijou Saidai no Sakusen, or  Big Comet Caper - Part 1in SPC version) :polly: saying that :francine: has a very stable relationship with Heikichi/Bucky. It seems this character has been wiped out in the SPC version.

Wait. So, Francine had a relationship with Bucky throughout the rest of the series? What does she do with him? Keep him under her floorboards? Cause we never see him again.

Huh, I didn't know about that. Makes me very eager to see more subtitles KNT episodes to find out what else I might have missed. I guess she was just seeing him "off screen" the whole time... I suppose after the butterfly episode, he didn't really have any importance to the story, so he only gets mentioned in passing.

I watched this episode sometime ago, but the only mention about Heikichi (Bucky) is there. As felineki said, he was not so important for the plot, so doesn't appeared anymore in the series. On the second thought, even Otama/Francine was not explored at her full potential in the series. Pity.  :(

Hehehe, thats going to kill Fran/Guido fans...

Well guys... I just had an interesting talk with someone who just sqshed my opinionj about the series and got mad cause I didn't accept his version... I'll expose my idea about why Gudo and Polly couldn't execute thier hissatsu movbes in pizza cats are only humens 1...

I think alñready told that I think that the Nyankee swords and armors workd simillar to the Saint Clothes in Saint Seiya, I think the cats have their own spiritual power and physc skills but the armors just increase their physic power while the swords increase the spiritual power...

May be one of the greatest misteries in Teyandee is Polly and Guido didn't show their hissatsu moves until very lsate episodes; my versin is that they hadn't mastered them, when the series starts just Speedy can perform this technique but the other 2 cats still practicing theirs... If I remember correctly wjen Guido and Polly execute yheuir finifher moves they are really angryso this culd help them to expulse their spiritual power (After all thanks to the subbed KNT episode 2 we knew that the Nyankee Ninpo techinques are mechanical)

If I corectly remember Speedy breaks the seal of Masamasa with his spiritual power liberating the other sword so this makes me think that he has mastered his spiritual and mechanical powers; becauise of this he can charge himself in Pizza Cats Only Human 1; we know that his armor ran out of energy and he hadn't any bsattery left so hius spiritual power could work as a temporal battery allowing him stand up and battle a little more...

This guy said "Speedy hasn't spiritual power, just Polly and Guido do; the power is in the Speedy's sword and without it he is nothing"; I believe the 3 swords are magical (Masamasa, Kirakira and Pikapika) and they react to their owners spiritual power for increase the strength and do a really pwerful energy blast

But this guy said "If does Speedy have this spiritual power; whay anyone could use the copy swords in the Gone with the Ginzu episode?"... Well, I can't remember this cap cause hadn't seen it a lot of years ago but I think a thing... May be the Big Cheeseused his robot technology for create copies of Masamasa that also can project energy? After all the ultimate weapon of the Rescue Team also can emit a poweful blast but we know that this weapn is mechanical and not spiritual... I can't remember if bad Bird used Masamasa In Gone with the Ginzu but if he did may be the sword's power releasee the Bad Bird's spiritual power and cause this he could perfect his hissatsu move Majin Kinkuu Ni...

Well, these are some pof my theories and I want you tell mme what do you think, obviously I can't say that this is the ultimate truth cause the series had so many secrets without an answer; your opinions are welcome but I hope you repect all that I think cause althugh the series doesn't support my theories, neither denies them.

TEYANDEE!!

I don't really see any reason to think Speedy's sword is that different from the other two... the parallels are drawn quite closely between the threee swords when they're used. I think that your idea of Speedy simply having his technique mastered earlier than the other two fits well enough.

In the episode where the Masamasa is copied... I believe the only person who actually used it was Bad Bird, and since he's obviously a skilled fighter in the same league as the Nyankii, I don't think that proves the sword being able to do all of that fancy stuff on its own.

Heh, and right as I type this, I'm working on a MIDI of the "Hissatsu" music from KNT... how fitting.

And you are ignoring the fact that Speedy sword is an accident weapon designed by the same extinct race that created the Catatonic.

Lets face it, Speedy sword is special, it rejected Big Cheese when he tried to get it, Speedy can do many attacks with it and don’t get tired at all(While Guido and Polly get tired, that means their swords don’t have power at all). In the Ginzu copies episode, Speedy is having a hard time until that he, for the first time, uses his own power together with the sword, making a stronger attack than the copy Ginzu(Youtou Muramura) and winning the battle.

The other two times when is clear he uses his own power together with the sword are “A Little Bit 'O Luck” when Speedy was so sorry for the trouble he had caused that he was able to create a power shield, that he didn’t used again until the final episode "The Big Comet Caper".

And as some other person has stated in a similar thread, is really common in Japan to give name to swords, even if they aren’t the best swords ever. So just because Guido and Polly swords have a name that doesnt mean they have magical power.

Not to kill the lore, but I see Speedy's sword as merely the first thing that they animated.  Being on a tight budget/schedule, they continued to use his sword as the finisher while developing Polly and Guido's finishers.  When they finally finished them, Speedy's finisher had become a feature of the show and they decided not to change it.

Later on, they rationalized the decision by making Speedy the more powerful of the three.  And to Kage with the copy of Speedy's sword: Big Cheese and Jerry obviously had to break the seal on the sword to allow Bad Bird to use it. It probably resulted in a loss of power of the sword, along with features like calling out the catatonic.

Now for my question: If Bad Bird has throwing stars shaped like swastikas, does that make the ninja crows and Big Cheese nazis?

and also, why is Binky ( Speedy's second sword) smaller than the Ginzu?

Not really, they just focused too much in Speedy even before having money problems, just look at the KNT ending.

The Youtou Muramuras had the same power as the Ginzu sword, since the fake vs real was already used in an earlier episode. The point of that episode was showing that speedy power wasn’t only on the Ginzu sword.

You see, Samurais usually had two swords, and one of the two was smaller than the other. If you want a more complete answer, go and search on the wikipedia.

My only problem with the two swords is that they are allways the same length when Speedy attacks.  Allways.

Sorry to bring up an older mystery, but I've been thinking about the Helmet Crystals significance. I too think it's possible that they could be refering to numbers.

Speedy's is a single circle= number 1
Polly's is a triangle (Three sides, three corners)= number 3
Guido's is a diamond (Five sides and points)= number 5

I've had a look at the rescue team, and I think that their crystals also support this theory

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/truro/KNT21_PonpokoTanukiDeOosawagi046_00.jpg)

I consider Bat Cats goggles to be his visor, like with the main trio's 'pull down' visors. It has two crystals, so

Bat Cat= number 2

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/truro/KNT52_KoonnokamiShijooSaidaiNoSa-1.jpg)

Spritz visor is a perfect rectangle, with four sides & corners so

Spritz= number 4

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/truro/KNT44_Pinchi_NusumaretaMasamasa070_.jpg)

Meowsma's crystal, as you can see, is an odd shape, with six sides and points, so he's number 6

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/truro/KNT52_KoonnokamiShijooSaidaiNoSakus.jpg)

From a distance, Catton's crystal looked like a five-pointer, like Guidos, but as you can see from this close up, it actually has seven edges and points, making him number 7.



 

Magical weapon grow! Seen before SPC in a show called Thundercats...

THUNDER THUNDER THUNDERCATS OH!!!

And the helmet crystals don’t have any especial meaning, they are just different to make the characters look different, like the gems of the gold armors in Saint seiya, that don’t exist in the first manga.

Here's a new mystery for all you guys an gals!
Poker!

In Samurai Pizza Cats, we've seen 2 poker games so far take place in the entire series...
Pizza Cats vs Guru Lou, and Princess Vi vs Bad Bird.

In both cases, our female heroes smoke the guys out completely & mercilessly.

My mystery for you folks is this...

Would Lucille win at Poker?
Is there anyone that could beat any of our female heroes at poker?

Hmmm...well, I think Lucille would usually win at poker. If not on her own merit, then her opponents would always let her win. Because if she didn't, everybody else would lose, if you get my drift.  *imitates missile noises*


Vi may be spoiled, but she's certainly not dumb; beneath her temperamental exterior, she seems to be quite determined and cunning. She'd make a great poker player, assuming she could maintain a poker face. Let's hope Lucille never played her, though, because Vi wouldn't let her win, and a missile attack (however unintentional) would lead to Lucille being exiled. That would be awful.

But Polly was impressive as well when she trounced Guru Lou.






Here's another mystery: why do Speedy and Guido never take their helmets off, while Polly sometimes does?

I knew that quote from our fair princess was around here somewhere!  :D

Myself, I think it's just like baseball hats. They wear 'em enough that everyone would flip if Speedy & Guido were seen without them.
... That... and they've probably got very bad cases of Helmet Hair after wearing them for 52 episodes straight.  :O

My thought about the matter is more creepy.  :O How if under the helmet one can see only the brain of the cats?

Or maybe their scalps are all scared and burned like Vader's head.

O_O...maybe they like slap-heads, no hair on the head, but like in episode 21 "its all greek to me" xD

I like to think that under the helmets, they have the topknot hairdos they're drawn with on the model sheets, they just never take them off for comedic purposes. It is pretty funny to see them in the hot springs with their helmets still on, after all. :D

Most likely the artists were to lazy to use an alternate design, however trivial it might be. Oh well. I'm so used to seeing them wearing those things, I can't imagine them without the helmets.  ;-)

I suppose you're right. Well, here's another one. Why did the Queen play with Princess Vi by firing missiles at her? (It's amazing that a short temper is her biggest problem...)

Probably something to do with being a fruit cake. :)
But then she looks all military-like and it is a all-nonsense show, made for laughs and fans alike.

Some people like to roughhouse. Given how resilient Animaloids are (they reguarly get blown up, smashed, and re-renter the earth's atmosphere from space unaided with no lasting effects), I suppose playing with explosive weaponry's not much different than giving someone a headlock noogie or a playful punch on the arm to them. Although it does have the unfortunate side effect of destroying any nearby property, buildings, or other constructs, which aren't quite as tough as the Animaloids themselves.

It's their way of saying 'Hello', I believe.

well I think that the female children resemble the mother, the males would definatly resemble the father, which brings us back to the original question, why DID the young Tanuki think Seymour Cheese was his father when he was not a Tanuki (btw I had always wondered what a tanuki was, though I still wonder what a corbi is so if anyone here knows drop me a PM)

Would you dare to beat her at poker? She didn't take very well her voleyball defeat...

Somthing that has bothered me from the point I started watching this:

(End credits song)

'Two, four, six, eight, why do we - - - - !'

I can make it out as effectivate, effectorate, or effectuate (with the first being the most accurate).

What word are they saying?


EDIT: My centennial posting gives me the powers of poor English! Go me!

I always heard it as "expectorate"... a fancy word for "spit".

I think it's actually 'accentuate', which means 'to mark or pronounce with an accent'. That would make sense, seeing as the chant ends with an exclaimation mark.

That's it.  Andy Thomas confirmed it in an email once.

What about that song segment they sometimes do in the middle of the episodes?

"Two, four, six, nine, why do we...(something something something)?"



Anyone know what the rest of the words are?

Could it possibly be "Three, five, seven, nine, why do we sing this crazy part in rhyme"?

I've wondered that one myself. Sounds like that might be it.

I always thought it was "parted rhyme".

Wonder if it was recorded on the same day the singer said "the Big Cheese of the villain"?

I thought he said "the Big Cheese IS the villain." Maybe I was wrong. After all, he said "this cat gets down down with a love hangover" when there was no reason to say the word twice.

According to Wikipedia, the singer in question was a writer for the show named Michael Airington, who had a few drinks before the recording session. ^^

Yep, thats right, he must of been more drunk than Guru Lou!

He must've had a lot of monosodium glutimate that day

ROFL...or maybe polly whacked him with a fryin pan or two xD

I practice my rendition of that song almost daily. At this point, I think I've almost got that Paul Lynde/Sammy Davis, Jr. impression down.  :D


Do you guys imitate the voice, too?

Here's something that's been bugging me. In many episodes we see the cats making pizza by hand. But in other episodes (I forget which ones) we see automated machines helping them make the pizza. What's the deal with that?

The way I see it, it's a two-tier system.  Most of the time the pizzas are made by hand, but on the busy days they automate to keep up with demand.

Given that the customers were backed up blocks away (in episode 21), I'd say that there was some demand  ;].

I think the reason that they don't rely totally on the automated equipment is so that Polly has an excuse to keep that frying pan around. ;]

I would agree with both these theories. I noticed how The Pizza Cat does a lot for its costumers. They take orders at the counter, or you can order from the tables like a sit-in restaurant. They have a drive through. They make deliveries both on foot and by Special Express. That's a lot for four cats to handle at once. Oh! I also forgot to mention that three of them are super heroes.

So, yah, I should cut them some slack. Keep up the good work cats!  ;-)

If the episodes give us any information then its:

Polly and Francine work phone/ cashier/ waitress duties.  (maybe make pizza?)

Speedy and Guido handle deliveries interchangeably with Speedy primaily the one making house calls. 

Guido is in charge of specialty "special order" pizza's.

Speedy cleans the bathrooms and acts as waiter when busy.

The rescue team was mentioned as having a some sort or role as well if I recall correctly, I forget what ep though. 

I think it was "Drumming up trouble with a big bad beat" where we see the rescue team cleaning up the main parlour, after The doggy bag bomb goes off. Was that the one you were thinking of?

yeah I think that was it. 

i've been listenin to it very closely, its TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT WHY DO WE EXPECT A RAISE

cos they talk about earning money during the series

 :-\... As nice as that sounds, I'm fairly certain that's not what the line is.

Although... who can tell. The voice acting of SPC has confused a lot of people, what with its slurring of the English language. =P

You can hear it really clearly on the sound file attached to my "Original SPC Theme Music" thread.  I think it's actually "expectorate" from what I can hear. 
   

yeah, but they say a bit too fast tho, maybe some-one should play the sound file slowly so they can find out what the word is!

It is "2-4-6-8 Why do we expectorate?" (an old schoolyard rhyme).  We confirmed this with SPC Producer Andy Thomas a few years ago.

oh damn, what those that expectorate mean?

thats a mystery solved

another mystery, how did the Samurai Pizza Cats form?, my fairy is, that they where sperated @ birth & sent to 3 different familys, the Cerviche's, the esther's & the anchovy's, a bit like Sonic Underground, where they where sepratered by queen elianer

Okay, here's a mystery that's been nagging me since I started re-watching the series.

I know the dub of the series isn't supposed to be perfect, but I can guess that they try to keep the original plot of most episodes intact. I say 'most' because there are some episodes that are confusing as hell and often what's being said isn’t matching what's happening on-screen.

One of the worst culprits is "Nuclear Potato". They show a potato at the end of the episode and then they make the WHOLE episode about the potato.

So, my question is for those who know the KNT version of "Nuclear Potato". What is this episode REALLY about?

Go to this topic:

http://www.edoropolis.org/forums/index.php?topic=1012.0

And after the events that happened in the "time traveling to the past" episode, you know the whole plot about a young Big Cheese saving Jerry life with a kiss, Big Al Dente found "those cats" again and hired them.

O_O ya mean "Samurai Saving Time" or something else

Yeah, that one...

Samurai Savings Time
Episode Number: 45     First Aired: Friday November 2, 1990   

The Big Cheese builds a robot that can travel through time, so he can go into the future and get a super weapon. Meanwhile, the Pizza Cats are on their way to the palace to celebrate the anniversary of their formation. Big Cheese, Bad Bird, and the Cats accidently get sent back in time with the robot, and the Cats try to stop Big Cheese from meeting up with Jerry Attric and the Ninja Crows

wow, the robot sounds like a T.A.R.D.I.S. i might download it, but download limit so go figure

Heres one question which puzzled me, when Speedy calls for help, twice (in SPC Pizza cats are only human p1) why, is Bat Cat the only one called to help and not the whole rescue team.

I've been reading through this topic again, there's a lot of interesting stuff here! I want to give some more of my thoughts on some of the subjects that have been discussed. But first, to some of the more recent questions:

Hmm, I haven't seen this episode recently. But it seems that "standard procedure" is only to send one of them out at a time. Also, this is one of the few episodes where the Pizza Cats are supposed to be on the losing end of a battle, so I guess the writers didn't want to do them any favors.  :P

I think it's actually about the microwave, which gets mistakenly identified as a "secret weapon". But I'm not certain.

On the subject of ears... I think the reason we see Francine holding the phone the way she does, or characters holding the sides of their heads when hearing a loud noise is simply one of naturalism. We're used to seeing certain gestures from everyday life, and they're easily identifiable. If you try to do something else, like have Francine hold the phone up by the top of her head where her ears actually are, it would look weird because we aren't used to seeing people hold phones that way.

On the subject of TMNT and KNT... I actually was surprised to read on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmnt#Manga) a while back that Yoshimi Hamada (creator of the original KNT manga) was one of the authors of a Japanese TMNT manga. Maybe TMNT had more of an influence on KNT than we thought?

On the subject of the alien pig... Lots of aspects of KNT are based (however loosely) on actual aspects of Edo-era Japan. I think this particular episode might be in reference to a tale of the discovery of a mysterious, small saucer-shaped craft that had washed ashore. This encounter was recorded in several writings of the period, complete with drawings.
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4760/figmr4.jpg)
Looking back at these accounts, the first thing that comes to mind for many people in the modern era is "did they find a crashed UFO?". Seems the writers of KNT took that idea and ran with it.

That's exactly what I've been thinking this whole time. I'm just looking for confrimation. I still think it's funny how the SPC people decided to make the  whole episode about the potato that comes out of the oven at the end. I think they also went a little far with the Environmentalist/anti-nuclear theme at the beginning of the episode. Get your own show Captain Planet!
Oh... wait. He did.  :(  Commie tree hugger.  >:(

Something I forgot to bring up in my other post: I noticed that Bad Max/Zankaa :badmax: has some kind of openings on his palms. Anyone have any idea what they are? His production drawings don't seem to say anthing about them.

Sorry to double-post, but I watched the KNT version of "The Pizza Cats are Only Human Pt. 1". After Mietoru gets knocked out of the sky and Yattarou calls for help again, Otama tries to contact the other rescue team members, but they're all out on pizza deliveries, and hence can't be contacted.

Thanks for the answer, its a shame we couldn't see them fight properly with swords or something apart from their combined cannon.

who is Bad Bird's father?

this question has just came to me, while in my SPC RP thread

Bad Bird father was the original Bad Bird, and supposedly the Ninja crows clan leader, until he died.

but i always fought that Bad Bird father...was BIG BIRD from Seasme Street!

"They're ready to fight; if you need them, just call." This implies that anyone can call the Cats for assistance. Yet, in the show, it's only Big Al who ever calls them to fight.  :huh:

Not really a mystery. Just an observation.

Mechadon: (The one who has the Ghostbusters on speed-dial.)**

**(Sorry Rusty  :P)

yeah so whats there phone number?

its probley 118 118 - britsh version or 1800 118 118 - american version

GOT UR NUMBER!

Really? Interesting. I just checked the KNT version of that episode, and the "entering" scene isn't even shown there. It just skips straight from :bigal: seeing all of the explosions from the palace balcony to the exterior view of the Pizza Cat where the cannon is rising and opening. I had suspected that the SPC team played around with the use of the "stock" scenes a bit (the launch scene, the battle entrance scene, etc.), but I hadn't done any comparisons to verify that.

Actually, it has more to due with filling up the allocated running time. You see, they had to cut out a lot of footage of Guru Lou perving about, touching up girls. Since there was a lot of it cut out, the episode would have ran short, so they put the oven scene in to fill up time.

...and so, we get to see Polly's tush one more time in that episode.  :D

Mechadon: (The one who's always looking up Polly's skirt during the oven sequence)

i'm with ya there...i can even make out what color of underwear she is wearing....

now WHO's the true perv?? it aint Speedy (Speedy the Peado)

Given how often they show, I would think everyone would know what color they are. :P

i knew know what color guido wears & even speedy...:O

Isn't it obvious? Speedy wears red-ranger briefs and Guido is always going commando.  ;-)

i thought speedy wore....wait for it...*drumroll*....SPEEDO'S

 :'( I have failed miserably.

There's a nice ring to the word 'Speed' there: Speedy, Speedos... What about Guido and his Speed'O's?  :D   8O

Look! Look! Inside the KNT song album!

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k134/SteC87/guidospeedo.jpg)

Back on the subject of u-wear: does Polly wear some kind of tights with her Pizza Parlour dress? Her legs look rather... pasty, compared to what she looks in 'Singing Samurai Sensation' and in any episode when she's not wearing her work clothes or armour. I don't regard the manga images at all since they only print and black and white, leaving us to uh, speculate.

i think its pizza dough O_o

He said "pasty" not "pastry"!  >:(

---

I stand correct on Guido.

Isn't it great how I managed to turn this topic on the subject of SPC underwear? (Boxers or Briefs?: The Ultimate Mystery!)  :D

Anyone else have any thoughts or speculation on what the characters wear? Doesn't have to be an educated guess. Just for fun.

http://www.youfail.org/ that sums you up Mecha :lol:


yeah yeah, maybe its true, Polly "butters" herself up with Pizza Dough, for guru lou, or something :O

i think the Big Cheese wears BIG yellow Y-Fronts....

& Princess Vi wear's boxers........:O:O:O

I found exactly what you're looking for. It's a parody of an organization called "Up with People". Here's a Wikipedia entry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_with_People

Check out the popular culture references; you'll find a nice surprise.  ;-)

No, I didn't add that. It was already there. I've never put any thought into this until now. But I remember seeing commercials for "Up with Kids" a long long time ago. And I remembered that South Park made fun of it too. I assumed this was the same thing SPC was making fun of, but I had to check wikipedia to make sure.

PLAGISM by SaBaN...:D

thank you, i missed seeing pictures of SPC....as i've been listening to the episodes instead in my black & white mind :D


hmmm, all i can think of it they used different color paint!

Is it possible that the competition featured in "Big Cheese Shows His Filmy Substance" is a parody of Takeshi's Castle? (Also known as MXC on Spike TV)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi%27s_Castle

I find Cheese's attire in this episode to be similar to General Tani. (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5371/taniln3.jpg)

LOL thats crazy, Takashi's Castle in SPC....my god LOL

it could only be a good thing :D

The original name of the big flying castle he uses in the finale to redirect the comet is a reference to it. So it wouldn't surprise me if there were other references. It's definitely from the right era.

in KNT Vi  acts a lot more like a sexy woman than in SPC, just see the opening, so i think she wears something format (She is a princess) but sexy at the same time, for underwear. Plus seeing her mother, I don't think the girl would wear man underwear...

*Blackcat is run over by a truck for reviving this tread after more than seven months..

Just wanted to respond to Mechadon's earlier post. From what I've read, yes, the original KNT version of "Big Cheese Shows His Filmy Substance" is full of references to Takeshi's Castle. The enemy robot-of-the-week was based on the guard played by Strong Kobayashi (aka "Baldy").

However, Big Cheese is probably dressed as Kenshirou from Fist of the North Star.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/felineki/KNTscreens/snapshot20081103223422.jpg)(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/felineki/Kenshiro_2b.jpg)

I get that feeling with Pururun over Polly.

seriously? i thought everyone knew that. i mean... it's obvious... and this is SPC we're talking about. they're not just gonna make up a word without some sort of silly reference.

The SPC exist in the same universe of TMNT. And TMNT came to be part of the real world alongside the Power Rangers. So yes, it is possible for the SPC to coexist with the human universe.

I didn't watched knt so I don't know if this birds has been showed in an other episode, but in the samurai pizza cats this strange bird came out of the zeppelin from big cheese in episode 10 and then I never saw it again.

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/silver_rasengan/Nieuwebitmapafbeelding.jpg)

sjonnoh: It's Big Cheese's escape pod.

so thats what it is. I just really couldn't figure it out, thnx

Is there any way I can see them?
Where did you see them :)

EDIT 2: Here you go. ;)

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq268/Teyandee/Samurai%20Pizza%20Cats%20Kyattou%20Ninden%20Teyandee/Yattarou1.gif)

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq268/Teyandee/Samurai%20Pizza%20Cats%20Kyattou%20Ninden%20Teyandee/Sukashii1.gif)

Thanks!!! :)
they are rather odd looking, but the question still is. What color would there hair be?
Personally I think speedys is blonde
Guidos is most likely A brown color

Male animaroids in underwear look... creepy...

  ;) is the "typical Japanese hero" (He uses the colors of Japan flag) So I bet his hair would be black.

Aside from the hairdos, one thing I found interesting about those sheets is that their ears are drawn really small so that their helmets could actually fit onto their heads without taking any cartoon physics-bending into account. Maybe they were considering making toys with removable parts, or something.

Toys makers only messed with the show to include the "Gundan SD" armors, but I bet that if they had the chance, the artists would have liked to make the male SPC use other things in their head besides the helmet, like hats or something..

here's a mystery: in episode 10, 1st speedy was capatured in the zappelin with his working clothes and a few minutes later he's wearing his armor  ?:|

Not much of a mystery to be solved or looked into but in the KNT opening Speedy and Guido fight or at least start to, after Vi winks at them, but in the English SPC show (I seen more SPC than KNT) they fight after Lucille.

Maybe Guido and Polly took Speedy's armor with them... Just in case...

Hey, another thing I did a newsletter article on. ^^ I've been re-reading old ones lately.

"You should know by now this show doesn't pay attention to detail!"

yeah, mama-san did say that too in episode 25  :D

Thats the price of re - using clips to save costs...

I just noticed something between the english and japanese episode from "field of screwballs"
did anybody also noticed this one?
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/silver_rasengan/jp.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/silver_rasengan/en.jpg)
did sabban changed this??

What are you talking about? Both of those images are exactly the same.  ?:|

strange, on my pc I saw 2 diffirent ones, I reuploaded it on photobucket, any diffirence now??

Yah. >_>

That's better ...now. <_<

*slowly walks away, humming to himself*

is that a no?

Dude, there was nothing wrong in the first place. I was just messing with you. Didn't think you would interpret it as a technical difficulty.

Congrats on your first trolling attempt.

Would read again.

And I've always wondered, why in SPC the cats eyes change colour from episode to episode.

~Darc

I already had such a feeling.... anyway about the question I asked....?

Yes, Saban changed it. They changed the note Lucille left at her shop at the beginning of Underground, Underwater, Undercooked into a pawprint too.

I never noticed much eye color changing, personally. But it can probably just be attributed to production errors.

I noticed the eye color change too ... but I thought it was a encoding error

it might be because of that there are more people then 1 which drawed spc/knt  ::)

SPC Episode 41 "Wet and Wild Weekend" ( Tairansen de ii yu dana!? )

When :francine: is being shot from the cannon, why is the smoke has yellow color?
(http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/090927/thumbs/bqSwfIy7kf.png) (http://ipicture.ru/Gallery/Viewfull/24274662.html)

I assume the green will be better as her clothes has this color  :)

maybe it's based on the hair, you can't tell what Guido's and Speedy's hair color is but Polly's is red and the smoke was red

I remember thinking about that at one point, too. You'd have expected it to be green. The lightest color of her outfit (shoulders, hands, etc.) is somewhat yellowish, though.

Something else i thought about the other day. We see in "Big Cheese's High Definition TV" ("Hisshou Sakusuzen! Tsuyoi zo Karakara Ichizoku") that  :speedy: and :guido: have a room in the Pizza Cat basement where they sleep. In the KNT version, the bespectacled fan-wielding guy informs us that "Yattarou and the others live here", so presumably :polly: and :francine: have rooms there as well, although we never see them. I wonder whether they share a room like they guys, or if they have separate rooms.

Whenever I wrote fanfiction I was always confused as to whether or not the Cats lived outside the Emporium or within it. In the 'High Definition TV' episode, it said something like it was Speedy and Guido's secret hideout? So I assumed they probably all lived outside the Emporium in their own seperate apartments, etc. But I guess according to KNT, they lived onsite. I can imagine the girls sharing a room if that's the case.

About the smoke:

I'm thinking about the colour spectrum here. Yellow completes all the primary colours. And then we have Speedy being white representing all the colours at once because he's the leader.

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It's pretty obvious why we prefer to imagine  :polly: and :francine: sharing a room.

70 - 1 =  ?:|

 =]

Can be. But until we know the color of :guido: and :speedy:`s hair we can only guess.

This would explain the color of smoke for :speedy: and :guido: too

Can you, please, explain it to me?

I think the share one room. There is no way of :francine: make :polly: angry or pissed off. Though i think they could sleep in one room.

Concerning :guido: and :speedy: (why do they one room)
As shown in "Big Cheese's High Definition TV" :francine: and :polly: sometimes have to wake up these guys. And it would be easy to do it (like hit them with a pan) when both of them are in one room.

Another mystery in SPC episode "Wet and Wild Weekend":

Before :francine: was shot from the cannon we can hear her voice "Fire 4!". But how it that possible if at this time she must be loaded in a missile?

1) She can`t say it and quickly load in the missile - it is a very long procedure (at least for  :speedy:, :guido: and :polly:)
2) She can`t say it while in a missile - there is no microphone

I out of technical theories, so I assume ther is only one left - translators tried to make it [launching process] more funny.

I guess she had it pre-recorded, recorded messages have been used since decades ago, so thats the safest bet.

Mama Mutt and Junior were operating the launch console that episode, since Francine obviously couldn't do it while being launched herself. For the brief moment we see them at the console, Junior's holding a microphone, so he was the one making the announcement.

That can be. But in that case who made the announcement before launching? (in SPC).

Yes, in KNT episode we can hear his voice. But in the SPC episode we hear :francine:`s voice. How can it be? Versions:

1) Pre-recorded message. No way - Francine`s announcements are unique and represents the situation (the reason for
Nyanki launching)

2) She load herself in the missile after the announcements - i guess it is impossible: heroes are loaded in the missile
before it.

3) It is result of dubbing. I suppose it is the right answer.

Teyandee -> it IS Junior announcing.

I believe the two characters had the same voice actress as they do sound similar.

1) And after 43 episodes I guess the kids want to hear the girl voice announcing despite she can`t really do it.
2) May be - there is no information on who is the vioce actor for the Junior.

She could have it recorded BEFORE the launch, so Junior plays it  later... please, like that was imposible in SPC...

OF course the real stuff is "dubbing" but is fun to find stuff that somewhat fits into the storyline.

For example: In my fanfics they know Cheese is a fox, but they call it a rat as an insult..

I guess it is possible.  :)

Episode 10 - Hot And Cold Kitties.

Usually :lucille:`s missiles are launched form her hat. But in this episode 4 missiles were launched from her bracelet:

(http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/091016/thumbs/4SzU0JWATq.jpg) (http://ipicture.ru/Gallery/Viewfull/25155441.html)

I beleve that  8 other missiles were launched form her hat as we can see 12 rockets hitting :speedy:
(http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/091016/thumbs/2GW1kZTmWY.jpg) (http://ipicture.ru/Gallery/Viewfull/25155553.html)

The question is: If we assume that 12 missiles were launched why did some of them started their path from bracelet?

That's actualy her hairdo, not a hat. It's a mechanical stylization of a traditional Japanese women's hairdo of the sort seen here (http://st87.com/japan/j/kamigata/t-simadakei.htm). The Lego model seen here (http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=132638) makes the resemblance to Lucille's hairdo a bit clearer due to the mechanical geometry of the pieces.

But anyway, Lucille does keep missiles in her outfit as well as in her hair. According to her production drawings seen here, (http://www.angelfire.com/ca/savespc/msfolks.html) she holds twelve within her hairdo, two within each sleeve, five within each side of the obi bow on her back, and one larger, cone-shaped missile in the middle of the obi knot.

Didn`t know about hairdo  ;-). But now I do.

So if she has 12+2*2+5*2+1 = 27 missiles then what are the triggers that activates them.
Usually she uses missiles from hairdo and in this episode she used her sleeve. Why? How is she knows what missiles to launch? Is this depends of the level of her excitement?

In this case I can`t imagine the reason for using a cone-shaped missile in KNT 53. A super excitement?
:speedy: is alive, :polly: is happy.
:lucille: (in SPC) says "what about me?" Maybe she is happy too but :speedy: is not paying attention to the fact that she feared she may lose him?

She is angry because Speedy almost proposed to Polly and he was ignoring her...

Why the hell did the cats walk to Prisoner Island instead go there with the Pizza parlor Cannon??

...because, Prisoner Island is waaay outside the city. They can only shoot themselves to places in the city.

Wait... *remembers Mission to Manhattan*

Oh #@!&ing BROOKLYN RAGE!!!!  >:[ >:[ >:[

The show is broken.  :/

The same happened to me when I watched the episode again like 2 hours ago...

maybe prisoner island has a "forbidden to fly" zone  :D

Nope... BatCat/Mietoru arrived to the island flying... The writers sucked...

oh yeah...forgot about that one.....

Maybe using the cannon to go to prisioner island would have atracted unwanted atencion, remenber the place is suposed to be forbiden, so a "pizza delivery" there would have been weird. While in the other hand Batcat flyng to the sea is a lot less troublemaking. They could always say that he had gone fishing or something, or maybe some buildings in LT block the way there, and if the cannon wat set highter, they would misss the target for a few miles.

Yeah, buildings blocking the way of the cannon makes sence, somewhat...

I don't think anybody care about the launching destinations... The people never realized that the "Pizza Deliveries" were shooting the heroes to the battle field...

I guess this was just an excuse for using Gotton and Mietoru and showing an Otasuke combined weapon by the first time...

Prisoner Island has a volcano on it and it probably erupted, spurting a deadly ash cloud into the sky forcing the cats to walk.

I wonder if it's got any relation to the Iceland volcano!

I don't remember a volcano in the island... After the giant bird catches Speedy/Yattarô we can see the giant Skull/Octopus mountain from above... It has a kind of spring on the top that feeds the rivers to each side of the island... I remember a volcano from the Zekko bird episode but I can't remember the location of that mission... I think SPC states that the Zekko bird lives at Mt. Coochie/Nekokuji but I don't know if this is the same for the KNT version...

In KNT the mountain that the Zekkouchou lives on is called "Osoroshiyama" (something along the lines of "Mt. Fearsome", "Fearsome Mountain", etc... kind of reminds me of the "Treacherous Mountains" in Teddy Ruxpin).

As for why they didn't take the cannon to Prisoner's Island... The New York episode happened later, so if you wanted to come up with an explanation, I suppose you could say that the extra-long-range function of the cannon was a recent upgrade, hence it wasn't available before.

That sounds logical... I like it

Yeah, that makes more sence than "What the hell are those cats doing flyng there? Do the get pizza deliveries in prisioner island?

This mystery was noted today during the joint SPC episodes watching at Russian Nihonbare conference:

During the launching process :polly: :guido: :speedy: are taking places in the "chairs":

(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/8/a/thumb/thumb_36e9b278.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2771196_polly-jpg.html) (http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/8/a/thumb/thumb_3d2c183c.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2771198_guido-jpg.html)(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/8/a/thumb/thumb_9aed9e44.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2771197_speedy-jpg.html)

The mystery is:
Why does the chairs color do not correspond to the armor color?
Polly has the purple chair, Guido - white and Speedy - Dark Blue.

i bet its just for the contrast....

Seems to correspond the the colors of the lenses on their helmets.

I guess you found the relation.

Good eye, felineki! You're pretty observant.

Here is an interesting detail from SPC 28 "Destructo Robots at Popular Prices".

:speedy: is about to attack the Rude Noise`s mecha when :cannonball: reveals that :lucille: is captured in it`s left feet:
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/1/2/thumb/thumb_712b93a0.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2895094_spc-28-1-jpg.html)

Seeing that, :speedy: rushes to her meanwile kicking :cannonball: off his feets:
(http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/8/2/thumb/thumb_0ee019cd.jpg) (http://xmages.net/show.php/2895099_spc-28-2-jpg.html)

The question is: Why haven`t :cannonball: stopped :speedy:?

He could have fallen because of cannon overweight. But he could avoid it if he stood at :speedy: path.

It's just done that way to be funny. CB is supposed to be posing a "threat" to Speedy, but Speedy casually knocks him aside like he wasn't even there and proceeds to rescue and flirt with Lucille.