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SPC Mysteries
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oonai2000
Ninja Crow
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #40 on:
June 21, 2005, 09:50:57 am »
Thanks guys for your replies. It's clearly a word play, but I always thought it was spelled Polly Esther. On the other hand I've seen it spelled like Ester many other times. Maybe I'll find out later!
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Omitsu
Ninja Crow
Posts: 2
~Mi-chan~
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #41 on:
June 21, 2005, 09:58:20 pm »
Quote from: D-Mac on June 21, 2005, 09:02:11 am
Something I think I'd heard once, but I'm not 100% sure on, is that "Esther" was the official spelling, but in scripts it was written as "Ester" to ensure the voice actors pronounced it properly. So either way could be considered correct.
Violet'll likely know more about this than I do.
I've heard the theory above, too. And while I may not do the answer as much justice as Vi, I thought I'd pitch in my two cents...
I seem to recall that, back when the Samurai Pizza Cats were broadcast, the Closed Captioning option read Polly's name as "Polly Esther." However, I also believe (And on this I may be mistaken; I'm positive on the CC 'Esther') that the European re-packaging of Japanese KNT toys read, "Polly Ester."
In the end, it probably just boils down to personal preference!
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SCerviche
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Nyanki
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #42 on:
June 21, 2005, 10:05:53 pm »
i think its spelt Polly Wester of course the " w " is silent.
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oonai2000
Ninja Crow
Posts: 12
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #43 on:
June 22, 2005, 04:27:49 am »
Is it OK if I just leave it at Polly Ester?
There's still another mystery, for me at least. Is Big Cheese a rat or a fox? He looks like a fox, but I believe they say he's a rat (I don't really remember when or how.) My sister and I always wondered about that. So what's the deal?
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adam808
Nyanki
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Jyarei monsutaa
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #44 on:
June 22, 2005, 07:50:21 am »
In SPC he is officially a rat, but in the Japanese version he was a fox. Look at his fox tail. Being a rat in SPC fit with the name Big Cheese and maybe there were no good fox name jokes like that. The writers went with what they felt was better for the SPC show I guess.
Yeah leave it at Polly Ester, it will be fine.
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Daisensei
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #45 on:
June 22, 2005, 10:37:00 am »
As Adam said, he is a fox.
In KNT his name is
Koon-no-kami
, and in Japanese
koon
is a representation (onomatopoeia) of a sound that a fox makes (well, actually I never saw a fox, what kind of sound it makes?
). Koon-no-kami ends most of his speaking with 'o-koon'.
Besides, Al Dent in KNT is
Wankoo-no-kami
, and
wan wan
is the Japanese version of bow-wow.
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oonai2000
Ninja Crow
Posts: 12
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #46 on:
June 22, 2005, 11:16:13 am »
Quote from: FMatsumoto on June 22, 2005, 10:37:00 am
As Adam said, he is a fox.
In KNT his name is
Koon-no-kami
, and in Japanese
koon
is a representation (onomatopoeia) of a sound that a fox makes (well, actually I never saw a fox, what kind of sound it makes?
). Koon-no-kami ends most of his speaking with 'o-koon'.
Besides, Al Dent in KNT is
Wankoo-no-kami
, and
wan wan
is the Japanese version of bow-wow.
Haha, I really didn't know that! Thanks so much for your explanation. I still don't understand why they made him a rat though, while he's clearly a fox.
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ApacheMan2K
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #47 on:
June 22, 2005, 12:30:20 pm »
i think they considered him a rat because 1) cats and rats are natural enemies, and 2) Big Cheese seems to be as dirty as one.
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oonai2000
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #48 on:
June 22, 2005, 02:36:16 pm »
Quote from: ApacheMan2K on June 22, 2005, 12:30:20 pm
i think they considered him a rat because 1) cats and rats are natural enemies, and 2) Big Cheese seems to be as dirty as one.
LOL, you're probably right.
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cartoonking10749
Nyanki
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #49 on:
June 22, 2005, 10:32:37 pm »
I know I once mentioned this, how do you vision Guido's finisher with the Supreme Catatonic?
Anyone can describe a suitable or most likely finisher.
I tend to imagine it as a large version of his flaming sword.
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Violet
Posts: 1331
But it's a cute iron fist.
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #50 on:
June 25, 2005, 01:32:01 pm »
Ester or Esther? You're not wrong to use either one, but "Ester" seems to be the preffered spelling. I've always gone with "Ester" because of the toy packaging, but "Esther" is used in the Saban Powerhouse comic. So, use which ever one you like.
Big Cheese is a fox not only in the Japanese version, but in every version except the English one. It's my theroy that the English writers automatically assumed he was a rat without getting a good look at his tail in the first episode, and by the time they figured it out, it was too late to change it, so they just went with it.
For fan-fic writers who want to explain it away, you can say he's a fox but was adopted and raised by rats (I just made that part up of course).
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KageReneko
Nyanki
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #51 on:
June 26, 2005, 05:28:22 pm »
I always though that this series was an opposotion to the eternal theme cats=bad, birds and mice=good... Here they had the cats as the good guys and also had birds as the bad guys< I guess they just wanted back this concept turning Koon a rat...
About the finish move of Guido in the Catatonic would be the same that he uses jumping and striking with the fish spear filled with blue flames...
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Methid Man
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Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #52 on:
July 01, 2005, 10:09:53 am »
I always thought Big Cheese was a fox/rat hybrid. I think that fits him best.
-- Sam the Methid Man
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cartoonking10749
Nyanki
Posts: 226
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #53 on:
July 02, 2005, 08:03:28 pm »
Here's something interesting.
Hemets on, All 3 pizza cats have the same ear size as Francine's (who does not wear a helmet).
Helmets off, All 3 cats (but we see Polly's mostly) have smaller ears.
Perplexing or what?
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Marurun
Nyanki
Posts: 310
*boing*
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #54 on:
July 02, 2005, 09:42:54 pm »
Ear protectors maybe?
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SCerviche
One After 909
Nyanki
Posts: 238
You Are Not Here
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #55 on:
July 02, 2005, 09:44:08 pm »
not really becuase the helmets are not there heads. I think the ears act like a microphone or are used as special gadgets, like how Speedy used his as bug to here what the Big Cheese's plan was in one episode or somthing like that
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Daisensei
KNT eps translator
Posts: 1136
Kyou no washi wa kakkou iinou!
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #56 on:
July 03, 2005, 11:43:15 pm »
Quote from: cartoonking10749 on July 02, 2005, 08:03:28 pm
Here's something interesting.
Hemets on, All 3 pizza cats have the same ear size as Francine's (who does not wear a helmet).
Helmets off, All 3 cats (but we see Polly's mostly) have smaller ears.
Perplexing or what?
Until now I have seem only Polly without the helmet.
In what episode I can see other cats
with helmet-less faces?
By the way, I have this theory: by using helmets during long time, the 3 cats haven't their ears grown properly. Hey, kids, don't use your helmet too long, or you will end with small ears!
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cartoonking10749
Nyanki
Posts: 226
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #57 on:
July 04, 2005, 12:02:03 am »
You don't really see episodes with Speedy & Guido helmetless.
But I have seen model sheets of SPC without armour (that includes helmets).
I admit I was surprised of the sheets of the two tomcats.
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Sinder
Author
Rescue Team
Posts: 97
Hissatsu! Neko Me... SURASSHU!
Re: SPC Mysteries
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Reply #58 on:
July 04, 2005, 02:36:24 am »
The helmet ears are primarily for the aesthetic look of the characters--in fact, they're canonically artificial (in one episode, Speedy removes one of his ears and plants it as a listening device). Francine's probably look similar because the other Cats are virtually never seen without their helmets, so a change on her part would throw off the overall design.
While the Cats are seen without their armor in "Wet, Wild Weekend", the model sheets present a very different view of them: in the production models, the characters are completely devoid of both armor
and skin
, granting them a creepy, semi-skeletal look. The sheets focus around the fact that the Cats (and everyone else in Little Tokyo) are cybernetic, something that the show tends to ignore.
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Daisensei
KNT eps translator
Posts: 1136
Kyou no washi wa kakkou iinou!
Ears again!
«
Reply #59 on:
July 04, 2005, 02:02:03 pm »
Look at "Usa-Tama-Mitsu-Puru" doujin in the Violet's sites in this
link
. In the "Phone Call" page one wonders
how
can hear the fone conversation, since the handset doesn't reach her ear. Yeah, good question.
In the same page one asks if Omitsu is female, why she has horns. It concludes that this show is careless (
iikagen na bangumi
).
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