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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 03:54:59 pm »

Well, isn't just the crossdressing thing... Koon really likes to smooch his people, (And there aren't defensive kisses like the ones that Bugs Bunny and other toons use as a defensive tactic)... Koon really enjoys to flirt with Gennarisai... The only moments where Koon has showed a real interest about girls are the episode where he is looking at Mipple's poster and the episode where he is flirting to UsaHime (Isn't even a real interest, it's just a scheme)...

The kisses that Koon gives to his henchmen are the same kind of the one that Yattaro gave tio Sukashii when the butterfly changed him (He wasn't straight in that moment)... Koon also got extra excited watching the special technique where Yattaro and Sukashii held their hands and were spinning aroundwith the Toritsukkun armors... The homosexual aspect of Koon isn't fully showed because Teyandee still being a kids show and I suppose that even japanese people have limits about the gay content in "family friendly" shows but I think that all the little hints through the series give us the evidences of Koon's sexual preferences...
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 04:22:52 pm »

I'm not doubting that he ISN'T gay (or bi), I'm just saying that he doesn't HAVE to be gay in order to be a cross-dresser. I see your point and I see Pururun Nyan's point, and I do tend to lean toward him being gay, or possibly bi, because of all of those subtle (and not so subtle) characterizations that he has. Case and point: I personally agree with you and think he's gay, but I don't think he NEEDS to be gay in order to dress like a girl. As in, if it weren't for those other character traits that makes him who he is (gay), his gender preferences could still be debatable.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 04:26:15 pm »

Hmmm... When the hell did I say that Koon is gay JUST BECAUSE his crossdressing??
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 04:53:03 pm »

I wasn't accusing you of saying that he was gay just because he cross-dressed. My first post today, in this thread, was in regards to what Pururun Nyan said about cross-dressing not being a synonym for gay. I was explaining in the second post, as well as giving my own personal opinion as to what Cheese's gender preference is, that I didn't mean that he wasn't gay, just that I don't think you need to be gay in order to be a cross-dresser. I'm sorry for any confusion if I am confusing you... I'm not very good at explaining things.   Sad
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 04:58:22 pm »

I think Koon is straight, the crossdressing is not a synonym of be gay...

She has a point here. You don't have to be gay in order to cross-dress... you  just have to be weird.  Tongue

Well...is just a really strange hobby  Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2010, 05:05:36 pm »

when I think it over maybe he ain't gay because....when speedy had to deliver that pizza to the cheese and fell out of the sky and kissed the cheese by accident, cheese reacted like he didn't liked to be kissed by a guy
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2010, 05:09:52 pm »

Yes and no. While it may have been an initial reaction for kissing a guy, it's also an initial reaction to kissing someone who you don't find attractive or in anyway desirable. Meaning, he may just not like Speedy but like other guys. Again, that doesn't mean he's NOT gay or that he definitely IS gay, just thought I'd throw that out there.
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2010, 05:16:02 pm »

I really got the feeling to ask the creator from Ko'on......
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2010, 05:52:21 pm »

I think he is not gay just because crossdressing doesn't mean to be gay. And I remember the episode of Christmas when Jerry said something to him (I think something like the present was him for Big Cheese, I don't understand english sorry) he appeared disgusted and not very happy for it. I think he is effeminate and he act something like a girly but I don't think he's gay...
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2010, 05:56:20 pm »

Oh sorry I didn't see the old posts of KageReneko! The question is one: did somebody see ALL the japanese episodes for say an exactly answer to the question is Koon gay?
I think only if someone see all the japanese serie can answer correctly and explain a correct answer to the question
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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2010, 05:57:58 pm »

I think he has a thing with Jerry...
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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2010, 05:59:51 pm »

I think he has a thing with Jerry...

There's is a strange and wonderful relationship...
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2010, 06:10:35 pm »

I think he has a thing with Jerry...

There's is a strange and wonderful relationship...

I could see Koon lived bad days in the past, probably more bad days with his father who didn't understand his "difference" and he probably has been a strict dad to him. and then, I can imagine Koon with no friends (or maybe not many and maybe chancers too because he is a very important person in Little Tokyo) and so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2010, 06:19:05 pm »

The only reason of why Koon didn't have friends was because he always exploded when he lost in their games... I think you are overanalyzing him...

And so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him

You just made Koon a lot weirder to my eyes... I mean; what kind of freak would flirt with his dad???
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2010, 06:34:06 pm »

The only reason of why Koon didn't have friends was because he always exploded when he lost in their games... I think you are overanalyzing him...

And so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him

You just made Koon a lot weirder to my eyes... I mean; what kind of freak would flirt with his dad???

I don't think I'm overanalyzing him, I just explained my point of view...
I can't see Koon gay just because there are not so many facts that determine that...
and then "flirt" with Jerry and see him like a father are two differents things. He is very attached to him but I don't think at all he's in love with him.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2010, 06:44:09 pm »

The only reason of why Koon didn't have friends was because he always exploded when he lost in their games... I think you are overanalyzing him...

And so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him

You just made Koon a lot weirder to my eyes... I mean; what kind of freak would flirt with his dad???

I don't think I'm overanalyzing him, I just explained my point of view...
I can't see Koon gay just because there are not so many facts that determine that...
and then "flirt" with Jerry and see him like a father are two differents things. He is very attached to him but I don't think at all he's in love with him.

Then explain why this happens whenever those two get sappy gaga and whatnot.
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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2010, 06:52:25 pm »

The only reason of why Koon didn't have friends was because he always exploded when he lost in their games... I think you are overanalyzing him...

And so is easy imagine that he tried to see Jerry as a friend or a father like he said in the last episode...well, is sad but also Jerry in the same way seems to well out of him

You just made Koon a lot weirder to my eyes... I mean; what kind of freak would flirt with his dad???

I don't think I'm overanalyzing him, I just explained my point of view...
I can't see Koon gay just because there are not so many facts that determine that...
and then "flirt" with Jerry and see him like a father are two differents things. He is very attached to him but I don't think at all he's in love with him.

Then explain why this happens whenever those two get sappy gaga and whatnot.

Sorry I can't understand what did you mean...I don't understand what did you say to me sorry I'm nt english
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2010, 07:15:34 pm »

I believe what he's trying to say is: if Big Cheese is not in love with Jerry, then why did the scene with the bubbles/flowers around the characters (which indicate a romance scene in anime) show up around both Big Cheese and Jerry numerous times?
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2010, 07:17:22 pm »

I believe what he's trying to say is: if Big Cheese is not in love with Jerry, then why did the scene with the bubbles/flowers around the characters (which indicate a romance scene in anime) show up around both Big Cheese and Jerry numerous times?

I think is just a joke or similar. And I repeat the same thing: if somebody wanna know how the real things are, must be watch the original show...
I wonder what did Big Cheese said when he noticed that he has a son in one episode (well, not his real son...)
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2010, 10:04:44 pm »

Oh sorry I didn't see the old posts of KageReneko! The question is one: did somebody see ALL the japanese episodes for say an exactly answer to the question is Koon gay?
I think only if someone see all the japanese serie can answer correctly and explain a correct answer to the question
Well, there's no real way to know for sure, but he's definitely intended to have lots of stereotypically gay traits. Some of the other characters possibly think of him as such; I recall both Usahime and Karamaru calling him "okamagitsune" ("gay fox").
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