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Cloud-Boy
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Nyanki
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"Never Hit a Girl"
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November 18, 2010, 03:05:24 pm »
We've all heard it before. Males are, because of the basic code of honor that everyone should live by, not allowed to hit females.
And that's pretty much all that the phrase says on the matter.
So the question is... How far does this go?
Obviously, you're not allowed to draw first blood. Ever. That's... just no.
However, if a girl punches you, kicks you, or slaps you (As you ladies love to do...), would you only fight back if the situation is life-threatening? Or would the simple act of being attacked throw that out the window?
Additionally, to what extent does this idea apply? Is it "Never feed a girl a double helping of a knuckle sandwich" or, "Don't harm females, even slightly"?
Of course, I'd love to feed a certain lady a ten-course meal of knuckle sandwiches, fist-flavored ice cream, fist a la pain, and fist de Shanghai. But that's another story.
My opinion would be:
1. Don't draw first blood. Period.
2. Only hit a girl if there's actual need, but it doesn't necessarily have to be life threatening.
3. Getting slapped in the face, even if you don't deserve it, doesn't count. For some reason, women have a right to slap people in the face and get away with it. Meh.
...discuss
And yes, I want people to disagree with me. I want people to tell me I'm wrong, for that is a discussion.
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sjonnoh
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Nyanki
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 18, 2010, 06:01:05 pm »
I'll agree with that but some girls just ain't......girls to me so then I would hit them back. I never would hit a girl who's girly but I will hit a girl who's....we'll, manly
On the other side, I barely am angry so if I hit someone, it's serious....
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KageReneko
Nyanki
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The Shaman Pizza Cat
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 18, 2010, 06:15:52 pm »
Well, you can't PUNCH or KICK a girl (Technically you can, but it isn't correct)... But if you need to defend yourself from a crazy gal you can try to hold and throw her away or slap her really hard...
Anyway, there always are exceptions...
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 18, 2010, 06:41:03 pm »
tell me that's photoshopped....
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KageReneko
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The Shaman Pizza Cat
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 18, 2010, 10:36:30 pm »
I really hope that...
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Gabya
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 01:15:38 am »
Where I come from, guys should never throw the first punch. If you do, you are not a man.
After the first strike though, (face slap, falcon punch, knife lunge or other) all are equal and no one will blame you for returning the favour.
You may never use excessive force though. What "excessive" means depends on the context and is kind of shady.
People aren't very slap-happy in Sweden.
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Methid Man
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 09:51:08 am »
I've always despised western media for portraying men as wooden puppets who can take anything without bleeding. It really bothers me how girls are taught by TV to believe that a guy always deserves getting hit in the crotch. You see it happen everywhere, even kids shows and it sickens me.
I dunno about other countries but in America a woman can practically get away with anything: she could beat the ever loving s*** outta you as long as she doesn't kill you and go away scot-free whereas if you punch her in the face, you can get 10 years in jail. I can understand women are generally weaker and more defenseless, but I think the laws are way overprotective.
I'm one of the most nicest guys around and would never want to hit anybody out of anger, but if anyone, man or woman, ever attacks me, I'll damn well defend myself and throw out the "hit him! He can't you back!" idea girls seem to be having these days. Western society has become way too misandrist for my liking.
-- Sam the Methid Man
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Mechadon
The Xenocide
Nyanki
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 10:52:40 am »
My approach is to never hit anyone. If there is a chance to back down, or retreat, I would take it. Taking a swing at someone these days is quite damaging to you legally, regardless if you are the aggressor or defender. Instead of retaliation to being assaulted, you use this legal matter as your advantage against them.
Take the MoFo to court, I say.
If we are going back to the whole "in the moment" scenario with the assault; I believe someone already mentioned excessive force. Try to push, shove, or punch your way to safety. Get the hell out of there. Try to alert others to the situation.
Stay alert and stay safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIU0HwKUKzk
I think what I have to say next, isn't going to sit well with some, but this is in regard to the topic at hand, so I'll say it.
I've loved the idea of the martial arts all my life; many great movies wouldn't be as good without them, but for their application toward real-life scenarios, my opinion of the martial arts has recently changed against their favour.
There are so many people in our society who partake in the martial arts. At the same time there are so many cases of assault and violence related crime.
Ask yourselves this. How often do you read in the news that these instances are resolved from the result of someone's martial arts training? Be honest with yourself. I'd bet not often or ever as you would expect. The promise of martial arts training seems to be lacking from its supposed purpose.
Let you remind you, I'm talking about self-defense here, and in a self-defense scenario, much of what you would learn from using martial arts techniques would be considered as excessive force in your legal situation afterward.
The martial arts are really more of a feng-shui approach to self-defense. Like using some holistic medicine with "secret Oriental ingredients" to cure a sickness.
If you are really serious about self-defense, I'd suggest you first investigate your legal boundaries on the subject. Then buy a gun and learn how to use it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc
Now, I know your thinking
Mech, isn't using a gun more excessive?
, and my answer to that is, in a self-defense scenario, a gun is often a proven deterrent to further confrontation. You don't have to fire the gun.
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blind2d
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Sedated
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 11:37:49 am »
And even if you do fire it, you can just give off a warning shot, not point it at anyone.
But yeah, if someone hits me, I probably won't care. That said, I've never actually been in a fight, so I don't know...
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Mr.NoName
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 05:08:44 pm »
I'd have to agree with Mechadon's "flight over fight" approach. Punching, hitting, or in any way making physical contact that could potentially injure someone in that situation can cause legal issues and frustrations, not to mention possible hospital bills, with either person in the fight, like Mechadon said. However, I think that if it comes to a "Hah! I've got you cornered!" situation, then I'd say it's time to take arms. However, if it's just a small fight, like say, a girl is angry at you and hitting you to get a point across or to relieve her frustation, then I'd say just take the hits and suck up the pain. It's not worth getting into trouble over something small. Of course, her anger doesn't justify her actions, but like Methidman said "as long as she doesn't kill you, she can go away scot-free whereas if you punch her in the face, you can get 10 years in jail." So all-in-all, I'd say avoid any kind of physical confrontation unless you ABSOLUTELY had to.
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Methid Man
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 06:18:27 pm »
Quote from: Mechadon on November 19, 2010, 10:52:40 am
Ask yourselves this. How often do you read in the news that these instances are resolved from the result of someone's martial arts training? Be honest with yourself. I'd bet not often or ever as you would expect. The promise of martial arts training seems to be lacking from its supposed purpose.
Now that you mention it...you're right. o_o I always hear from those who practice martial arts, especially women, that it's good for self-defense and yada yada, but not once have I ever heard of a woman in the news who was mugged and told reporters "I protected myself with karate".
I remember when my brothers used to love going to karate classes when they were teenagers as if it were half their lives and I also hated it when they kept begging me to go (which I eventually did but only attended for a few months). Where are those skills 15 years later? You could say we've never been mugged so we've never had to rely on them, but therein lies my point, why spend money and effort on learning something you'll most likely forget years down the road? The only way I could ever see it coming in handy is if you live in a high crime area. See my above paragraph for more info.
Let's face it, guns are what people will rely on for protection and they're what criminals will likely use too. Who in their right mind is gonna attempt to disarm a mugger with just your fists and feet during a stick-up? It takes all of a split second to pull the trigger.
No, the real way to counter a gun is either have your own gun or a really clever strategy--if you're in a car with a criminal and he's threatening you with a gun to drive, speed the hell up; it'll discourage the thug from wanting to shoot you since he'll end up getting killed too if he does, and there's the added benefit of getting the attention of cops on the road. Let the wheel be your weapon.
Getting back on topic, Mechadon said it best: if you hit back it's a fight--if you don't, it's assault and you can use that in your defense.
-- Sam the Methid Man
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Mechadon
The Xenocide
Nyanki
Posts: 1770
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 09:14:43 pm »
While I'm glad I got all positive responses, I still feel the need for damage control.
I don't wish to slander martial arts, and those who practice them.
It's a tradition. One that I'm sure involves a sense of honour and discipline if you dedicate yourself to it. It's a life style that people choose for themselves, that makes them feel good. I'm not here to take that from you. It's really only this delusion as an effective means of self-defense that I'm against. It's like ice-skating. Nobody really needs the skill of ice-skating. Yet people devote their time, money, and life to it.
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Methid Man
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 19, 2010, 10:13:03 pm »
That's kinda what I was trying to get at and would've posted it more blatantly but forgot to add it in. The way I see it, most people seem to use martial arts as no more than a hobby/sport. Kinda like playing football. I hate it when jocks think it'll get them into the NFL or some other super-successful venture when it won't really get them anywhere, but if it's something they just enjoy doing, I have no problem with it.
-- Sam the Methid Man
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Mechadon
The Xenocide
Nyanki
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 24, 2010, 10:31:07 am »
Kinda hard for me to do.
If I try to look intimidating, it just looks like this:
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Cloud-Boy
1st Civ. Div.
Nyanki
Posts: 330
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 24, 2010, 02:35:36 pm »
Quote from: Sarah Millwood on November 24, 2010, 10:31:07 am
Kinda hard for me to do.
If I try to look intimidating, it just looks like this:
Better than what I look.
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And Cloud...if someone's hurting you...tell someone. You have friends and family who are there for you.
Already took care of that little problem. wasted 2 years of my life, though, that's for sure.
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Cloud-Boy
1st Civ. Div.
Nyanki
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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November 25, 2010, 02:34:52 am »
You can't use fire on this wicked woman!
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Tigriss
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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December 12, 2010, 09:00:59 am »
I suppose I should throw my two cents in here, being female and all.
I don't think you should retaliate with violence if there's a chance you can put a stop to the situation otherwise. You can try walking away, for starters. If someone insists on picking a fight, you can try restraining them. If they hit you and continue to attempt to hurt you, grab their arms/wrists and tell them to calm down. If they still try to hurt you, wrestle and pin them to the ground if necessary. Only after these things fail should you fight back, and you should only resort to fighting if you or someone else is seriously getting hurt.
To answer the specifics of whether a guy should never hit a girl, it depends on the situation and you should still try to follow the steps above. And while I'm an advocate of gender equality, statistically speaking, men are usually stronger than women, it's just a biological fact. And from what I've seen from the pictures some of you guys have posted, you're not weaklings. You could potentially do more damage to a female opponent. And while I don't share Methid Man's view that women can get away with anything and that we live in a completely misandrist society (there
are
unfair double standards, but it's still a man's world by far) there are women who will take advantage of the fact and get you into trouble with the law if it comes down to that, even if they started the fight.
Quote from: blind2d on November 19, 2010, 11:37:49 am
And even if you do fire it, you can just give off a warning shot, not point it at anyone.
Bad idea. I think there can still be legal repercussions for discharging a weapon in public, and you could hit someone with a stray bullet too (hence the legal repercussions). Guns are not toys, and you shouldn't believe everything you see on television.
Quote from: Mechadon on November 19, 2010, 10:52:40 am
Ask yourselves this. How often do you read in the news that these instances are resolved from the result of someone's martial arts training? Be honest with yourself. I'd bet not often or ever as you would expect. The promise of martial arts training seems to be lacking from its supposed purpose.
I know at least three people who have black belts in karate. I think only one of them has ever had to use his skills to defend himself, but he did. You probably don't hear about these things because the odds of someone being assaulted who actually knows the practical martial arts to defend themselves is still pretty low, despite how many people practice it.
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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December 14, 2010, 11:36:55 am »
If your man enough her fist would just smash to pieces upon your stern iron visage as you stand there triumphantly without batting an eye.
Kids learn from this example, and man the hell up.
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Tigriss
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Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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December 27, 2010, 11:03:26 pm »
Quote from: Harmonex on December 13, 2010, 03:10:04 pm
That being said, Tigriss will beat you down with a frying pan if you lay a hand on her.
No, the pan is reserved for dishing out Internet Justice.
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Speedy_C
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meh.
Re: "Never Hit a Girl"
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December 28, 2010, 12:15:59 am »
Well I wouldn't hit girls but if they are trying to act "manly" then maybe I'll defend myself.
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