SPC/KNT Couples and why?

[cartoonking10749]

When watching and gathering info on SPC, I notice slight hints on possible relationships between the characters and so, this is for all to discuss opinions of couples within the pizza cat universe and why (if possible).

Apart from Carla & Bad Bird, here is my list and the last three is sorta like a draw (know what I mean)?

1. Seymour & Jerry Atrick] - When their eyes go cutesy bug-like, it is poetry in motion. Like it or not, these two have the right attitude of a love/hate relationship with Jerry is the man.
These two share each other's pains and loyalty, well Jerry's that is.
They even sang togather in the baseball episode.
Not your run-of-the-mill couple of course, but there is definate chemistry between the two villains.

Expect more couples from me soon.

[Sinder]

Back when my old website was still being maintained, I had a page devoted to the relationship between Speedy and Polly.  It's not much to look at--one of the Geocities accounts I used for image hosting was shut down, so some images are broken--and it wasn't written very well.  The page was created sometime in 1999, and my skill with language has much improved in the last six years.

Interested parties can find the page right here.

[cartoonking10749]

I wondered if anyone picked up any theories or clues about the other couples, which can be possible although there were no mammoth changes after the comet caper.

This brings me to my next pairing.

[bGuido & Francine - My favourite possible couple in the SPC universe without doubt and I've spotted hints in the show and are some samples:
1. "Kind of a drag" - Fran worries about Guido and even looks very worried and upset when he didn't return from a pizza delivery. A hint that she cares for him.

2."Speedy's double time trick" - They share each scene togather, mmm interesting!

3. "Gender Bender Butterflies" - Despite being in a love-struck trance over some deer, listen carefully and you probably
hear Francine call blue boy "Darling", yes that did happen.

4. "No Talent Guido" - The ultimate proof!! This episode shows Guido bluer than normal (pun intended) as he feels left
 out, but he's not alone in the parlour and is noticed by his employer, Francine.
Francine had sad and sympathetic looks as tries to comfort and encourage Guido when the Big
Cheese attacks, a sure sign that she cares for him and sympathizes too (possibly disliking being
left out as well)
Guido self-esteem flooded back when he witnessed his friends in danger and prepares to come
to the rescue, Francine is very proud that he's back to normal and the last between the twocats is very cute and full of hints

In fan-fiction, this couple is wriiten good, but not as beautiful as in "Crimson Dawn" by Jonas Miles.
It is their relationship that had me glued to this fanfic and I like to say

Well Done and Thank You Jonas Miles aka Sinder

Other people may have different destinies thought out for these two cats, but they a golden couple, although not investigated and talkabouted compared to Speedy/Polly.

[Sinder]

Somebody actually liked the idea of the Guido/Francine pairing?  Goodness, I'm flattered. 

But part of me wishes I had never written that story.  It was so pretentious and snooty that it's not funny. 

[Polly SPC]

As much as I like the Speedy/Polly pairing, I tend to like the Guido/Polly pairing better. The hints aren't as noticeable as the other couples, but they are still there.

I hadn't seen the episodes in a long time, so my memory is a bit vague and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there were a number of times where Guido actually seemed to care more about Polly's well being then Speedy caring about her, and vice-versa. In a lot of scenes that didn't include Lucille you'd always see the two of them together. Polly also tends to tolerate Guido more so then Speedy, but then again it could be a sign to of just close friendship. However, even though there are two or three episodes where Polly is overly concerned for Speedy, they don't even compare to the number of episodes where Polly and Guido showed concern for each other.

Wish I could remember the episodes for more definte hints... but alas, I can't and have yet to download and watch them again.

[ApacheMan2K]

i think Bad/Good Bird is better off with Carla. they've known each other since childhood, and they made a vow of love back then.

as for Polly, i think Speedy goes best with her. what i can't understand, though, is why Saban attempted to cover up the fact that the two were being drawn closer to each other until the end. of course, in the KNT version, he [Yattarou] didn't really confess his love for her [Pururun]; i recall reading text that Tigriss mentioned some time ago, and so i watched the last KNT episode to find out what she meant. i could hear Yattarou say something like, "Can I ask you something?", then after Pururun says "yes", he says, "Could I borrow 1,000 yen?" 

[Sinder]

The dubbing was probably handled episode-by-episode; without any transcripts to work from, it would have been a very laborious process, what with the new writing and lip-synching and all.  I think the writers probably didn't watch the series from start-to-finish before they started the dub work, and so when they hit the final episode--with the heavy emphasis on Speedy and Polly--they were sort of stuck.  They had to address the relationship as an unavoidable plot point, but going back to re-dub the other episodes would have effectively meant starting over from scratch.

[D-Mac]

Ooh, quite an interesting thread this is. 

Throughout the english version of the show at least (of course excluding the Comet Caper), I felt that there was much more teasing of a Polly/Guido relationship then there was of a Polly/Speedy one. However, it seems to me that Guido likes Polly more than Polly likes him.

I'll think I'll write a few points to add to the idea of  + , some of which may already be on Sinder's old site.

• Guido and Polly spend a good bit of time together as the pilots of the Supreme Catatonic, which happens to be where we hear Guido's thought "When she takes over she's sorta... sexy." in Those Transformin' Felines. He's apparently somewhat attracted to her.
  
• I do agree that Polly usually seems more tolerant of Guido's action than she is of Speedy, though she seemed highly annoyed by Guido's antics in Cold and Crabby In Little Tokyo, with him convincing her that Speedy and Bad Bird were brothers, and him using his, um... "Stale Kitty Litter" attack right next to her, causing poor Polly to pass out! A real gentleman, that Guido...
• I thought Guido's "When this show's over, we should get married and start a family." line from Emperor Fred Does Hard Time was very interesting. It would have been an extremely momentous line in the series, had it not been used in such a jokey fashion.
  

[cartoonking10749]

I remember that scene and if hadn't been for a intervening Guido, Polly would have throttled Speedy for joking with her during her most tender emotional state yet.
When you first watch the show, Speedy was more likely to be the last person Polly would ever love, but then
Oppossites attract.

Polly tends to be jealous when the boys favor Lucille than her, it's a wonder of how she is friends with her.
This starts three love triangles familiar in the series. The first one is a one-man-upship rivalry.

Speedy & Lucille & Guido - Speedy obviously loves the cute ram and tries his best to win her affection and
                                               its a balance in which he succeded or not.
                                               There were occasionally scenes that they share togather like the ending of
                                               the "Rude Noise search for SPC" episode where they watch the sunset.
                                               The Great comet caper had Speedy in deep thought and Luciile probably
                                               understood his advances and return them back, but was heartbroken when
                                               Speedy appeared to love Polly better.
                                               Speedy goes through barriars to win Lucille, but the most gruelling has to be
                                               his best friend and rival: Guido.

                                               Despite me liking the Guido/Francine couple better, I can't help but notice
                                               this pair as featured in fanfics and small hints in the show and manga.
                                               Gudo is obviously a self-proclaimed Casanova, but a few woman take his
                                               advances seriously and that includes Lucille. Unlike Speedy, Guido rarely has
                                               bad luck charming her, despite him being a serious worker at the pizza
                                               parlour and flirting when on delivery or break.
                                               It is hard to tell whether Guido showing off to Speedy or he like Lucille alot.
                                               But there are good scenes like at the first episode where Guido flirts with her
                                               using the combo of a pizza and a rose, the Big Cheese seeking movie stardom
                                               episode where she sees him as a future star, but worries about being
                                               forgotten amongst fans until Guido, in a nice scene says he will never forget
                                               about her.
                                               A lot of hints about this pair, although they are always interuptted by Speedy
                                               and likewise.
 
More on the two remaining triangles soon and I like to thank D-Mac for his approval of this thread.

Thank you D-Mac.

[Polly SPC]

Ooh, quite an interesting thread this is. 

Throughout the english version of the show at least (of course excluding the Comet Caper), I felt that there was much more teasing of a Polly/Guido relationship then there was of a Polly/Speedy one. However, it seems to me that Guido likes Polly more than Polly likes him.

I'll think I'll write a few points to add to the idea of  + , some of which may already be on Sinder's old site.

• Guido and Polly spend a good bit of time together as the pilots of the Supreme Catatonic, which happens to be where we hear Guido's thought "When she takes over she's sorta... sexy." in Those Transformin' Felines. So apparently He's somewhat attracted to her.
  
• I do agree that Polly usually seems more tolerant of Guido than she is of Speedy, though she seemed highly annoyed by Guido's antics in Cold and Crabby In Little Tokyo, with him convincing her that Speedy and BadBird were brothers, and him using his, um... "Stale Kitty Litter" attack right next to poor Polly, causing her to pass out. 
• I thought Guido's "When this show's over, we should get married and start a family." line from Emperor Fred Does Hard Time would have really stood out, had it not been used in such a jokey fashion.
  

Awww....thanks D-Mac! You put it in much better words then I did! *huggles*

[Sinder]

A long while ago, someone made the point that whenever the cats are generally in trouble, Guido and Polly will often cry out each other's name (while no one cares about poor Speedy).  You can find examples of this, but you have to be fairly thorough; one of these occurs in the episode with Lucille's brother Wally.  When Guido is picked up by the robot and mashed into a rice ball, Polly calls out to him (and quickly covers her mouth because she realizes her breath reeks of fish). 

On a different note, one of the reasons that I supported Guido/Francine was due to my age at the time.  I was 14 or 15 years old when Crimson Dawn was penned, and I had never been in a romantic relationship.  That's why the romance in the story was as over-the-top and as cheesy as it was; my only model for a relationship was what I had seen on television and read in books, so the end product was two-thirds Pizza Cats, one-third Harlequin novel.  Also, I had no concept of interspecies relationships at this time, so it seemed natural that Guido would be attracted to another cat--and excluding Polly, Francine was the only other one around.

I avoided including Lucille in various pairings because I had a genuine dislike for her as a character--I thought her habit of using her missiles to get the cats out of various scrapes was a deus ex machina, and far too much of a cop-out for my liking--and because I later found out she was supposed to be a geisha girl, which made it a little hard to imagine her getting into a serious relationship with anyone. 

[cartoonking10749]

Polly & Speedy & Guido - Polly is constantly cheesed off when her partners slack off or flirt with Lucille,
                                             but deep down and it shows, she really likes them.
                                             I tend to think Guido is seen as a friend to Polly as they are often seen teaming
                                             togather and are more like backup to Speedy's Ginzu finisher.
                                             Now Speedy on the other hand, is seen very different compared to Guido since
                                             he has a hyperactive attitude to anything and constantly slacks off the most.
                                             His personality gets him into trouble many times and Polly would usually scorn him
                                             despite jumping to conclusions.
                                             But Polly does show great care for Speedy, though not on a personal level until
                                             "The Great Comet Caper", where she senses his interest in her and likewise.
                                             Polly probably did not believe in the comet myth of marriage, but was stirred
                                             into curiosity when Speedy became silent, far from usual indeed.

[Polly SPC]

Polly & Speedy & Guido - Polly is constantly cheesed off when her partners slack off or flirt with Lucille,
                                             but deep down and it shows, she really likes them.
                                             I tend to think Guido is seen as a friend to Polly as they are often seen teaming
                                             togather and are more like backup to Speedy's Ginzu finisher.
                                             Now Speedy on the other hand, is seen very different compared to Guido since
                                             he has a hyperactive attitude to anything and constantly slacks off the most.
                                             His personality gets him into trouble many times and Polly would usually scorn him
                                             despite jumping to conclusions.
                                             But Polly does show great care for Speedy, though not on a personal level until
                                             "The Great Comet Caper", where she senses his interest in her and likewise.
                                             Polly probably did not believe in the comet myth of marriage, but was stirred
                                             into curiosity when Speedy became silent, far from usual indeed.

Actually... as stated before, Polly doesn't show she cares about Speedy as much as Guido. Don't forget, the last episode was Saban's way of trying to fix their mistake by downplaying the whole Speedy/Polly romance thing... I've gone back and watch a few episodes now and I've started to see about the Guido/Polly thing. I think what happened was when fan's saw the last episode they instantly had it in their heads that it was Speedy/Polly.... me included, and thus by going back are of course going to notice Speedy/Polly more then Guido/Polly... so yea

[cartoonking10749]

Sorry about that Polly, but you're right in a way as Saban really fiddled with the original dubs.

Anyway.

Speedy & Polly & Lucille - Speedy likes one and mostly fears the other. One episode "Speedy's Double
                                             Time Trick" places the pizza cat leader to play double date, although with
                                              Polly it is delivering top secrets to Al Dente (What secrets? I don't see any!)
                                              Speedy attends with Lucille on a supposed date while with Polly, it looks alot
                                              like going out.
                                              The ending shows Lucille's true intentions, buying her brother a jacket about
                                              Speedy's size, which Speedy was a guinea pig (poor lad )
                                              But Polly offered him a jacket in her closet to cheer him up which resulted in
                                              an arguement between them (Cute isn't it? )
                                              In KNT, they come close togather during the series, but SPC it's not the
                                              same story.   
                                         

[Guido64380]

didn't the guys at saban just watch the eps without the sound and then make up their own plot? I forget where I heard that but it would make sense

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[Sinder]

I'm not sure about watching with the sound off, but the Saban International staff wasn't provided with written transcripts to go with the episode footage--meaning they had no idea what anyone in KNT was saying, or what the storylines were.  As the story goes, Andy Thomas had the SPC writers make up completely new plotlines to go with what was happening on-screen.

[cartoonking10749]

Can anybody think of couples I have not mentioned?

Characters like the royals, rescue team and other cast extras can be used and are yet to be mentioned.

If Al Dente was married to Mama-san, why doesn't she live and Junior in the palace?

[Beranme]

If Al Dente was married to Mama-san, why doesn't she live and Junior in the palace?

Because they arent married. They arent even the same animals.
  though thats never really stopped anyone before...

[D-Mac]

Because they arent married. They arent even the same animals.

Yes, technically that is correct. Originally in KNT, Mama and Junior were intended to be Tanukis, but thanks to Saban's english writers' many screw-ups in making SPC, fans referring to them as dogs can no longer be considered completely wrong. 
Same goes for fans referring to Seymour as a rat, even though he's supposed to be a fox.

Characters like the royals, rescue team and other cast extras can be used and are yet to be mentioned.

I've seen the idea of Francine/Bat Cat tossed about a couple times, but I've never really thought too deep into how or why that could work.

Who would Princess Vi choose between Speedy or Bad Bird?

Princess Violet seemed pretty love/hate towards Speedy throughout the series, so I'd would definitely say Bad Bird. Especially considering Violet's three attempts to kidnap marry Bad Bird during the show. (Episodes: Field of Screwballs, All You Need Is Love, Princess Vi's Hippy Dippy Mom)

[BurkeWorld]

No no no, you guys got it all wrong!

THEE best pairing in the entire series, both KNT and SPC has to be:

Mama-san and Emperer Fred!

Burkey.

PS, In case you can't tell, I'm joking and being sarcastic