Past of the SPC/KNT characters

[Mechadon]

They're Not robots! They are cyborgs. There is a difference. Cyborg stands for Cybernetic Organism. They don't act like robots because they are not 100% robotic. My idea is they are descended from fully organic animals. At some point in time they were altered genetically and cybernetically.

I felt this is a good time to explain why they are able to function as both machine and with flesh and blood. Everything to do with their organic side is handled by their metabolism. Everything mechanical is handled by nano-machines in their bodies. They have to eat food in order to keep their living parts alive. Nano-machines are hard at work keeping their mechanisms functioning. So where do the nano-machines get the materials they need to do repairs you might ask? This isn't magic. We still have to consider conservation of mass. Well, here's the genious of it all. They get the metals they need from their food. There is a very high concentration of metals in their food water and environment as a result of the many nuclear wars that have occurred on Earth. (Post-Apocalyptic future remember)

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[Daisensei]

Mechadon's theory makes me remember Metalzoic, from 2000AD. I read the Portuguese edition of this comic almost 20 years ago.

[Methid Man]

I never really liked the idea of the characters in SPC being robots/cyborgs or whatever. I dunno, the thought always creeped me out. I just think of it as a totally funked out character design.

Though Mechadon's theory does make it seem interesting...

Anyways, does anyone else have any more info on the 'Great Warrior'? I'd really like to know more of his backstory...

-- Sam the Methid Man

[Alistair Erie]

Alls I know--or think I know-- is that the Great Warrior is a human.
Maybe he is a writer! 

[formallykat]

I never really liked the idea of the characters in SPC being robots/cyborgs or whatever. I dunno, the thought always creeped me out. I just think of it as a totally funked out character design.

I never liked the idea of them being robots either. I like to think of the cats as being ´real´ when I write fics ...

[felineki]

He does LOOK human, but when he gets stabbed during his fight with Speedy he emits lots of electrical sparks (I think this scene was cut from SPC, so it might only be in the KNT episode). Plus he has that habit of uncannily appearing and disappearing.

Anyway, it's stated that the Supreme Catatonic was built by an ancient, long-dead technologically advanced civilization, right? It would also seem that the Ginzu sword was forged by this same civilization, due to there being a connection between the two items (the Catatonic was first unlocked by physical contact between the sword and the statue it resides in, and each time after that, it's summoned by a light or signal of some kind from the sword's hilt). This Great Warrior seems to know quite a bit about both of of them. As Speedy and Bad Bird ascended in the Catatonic to confront the incoming comet, he appeared on the screen and told Speedy to use the Ginzu sword (showing yet another connection between the sword and the Catatonic, as the robot produced a set of swords of its own and was able to use the Cat's Eye Slash technique).

Going by his apparent knowledge of these ancient technologies, as well as his apparently mechanical nature, my guess would be that the "Great Warrior" is actually the conciousness of a member of the extinct civilization that created the Ginzu sword and the Catatonic, preserved through some technological means. A "cyber-ghost", so to speak.
As for opinions on the characters being robots, I like them fine that way. They're robots more in form than in function, since they do all those things like eating, sleeping, breathing, and reproducing that are all hallmarks of flesh-and-blood organisms. They just happen to be capable of storing missiles in their hair and such.

[cartoonking10749]

They're Not robots! They are cyborgs. There is a difference. Cyborg stands for Cybernetic Organism. They don't act like robots because they are not 100% robotic. My idea is they are descended from fully organic animals. At some point in time they were altered genetically and cybernetically.

I felt this is a good time to explain why they are able to function as both machine and with flesh and blood. Everything to do with their organic side is handled by their metabolism. Everything mechanical is handled by nano-machines in their bodies. They have to eat food in order to keep their living parts alive. Nano-machines are hard at work keeping their mechanisms functioning. So where do the nano-machines get the materials they need to do repairs you might ask? This isn't magic. We still have to consider conservation of mass. Well, here's the genious of it all. They get the metals they need from their food. There is a very high concentration of metals in their food water and environment as a result of the many nuclear wars that have occurred on Earth. (Post-Apocalyptic future remember)

Do you follow? If not please read ALL my posts in this topic.

Yep, I agree that they're like cyborgs. Partly metal, partly rea.
It's hard to believe the robot theory. Robots don't blush nor feel pain. So, cyborgs I reckon they are.
Plus, the clue is in the name of their kind: Animaloids, animal androids.

[Mechadon]

I'm glad I got most of you thinking about how the world of SPC came to be the way it is. It's easy to just think of it as an alternate world and history. But it's more fun to try to think how this world would exist as a future of our own.

Yep, I agree that they're like cyborgs. Partly metal, partly rea.
It's hard to believe the robot theory. Robots don't blush nor feel pain. So, cyborgs I reckon they are.
Plus, the clue is in the name of their kind: Animaloids, animal androids.

See! Now some of you are starting to understand.

He does LOOK human, but when he gets stabbed during his fight with Speedy he emits lots of electrical sparks (I think this scene was cut from SPC, so it might only be in the KNT episode). Plus he has that habit of uncannily appearing and disappearing.

Anyway, it's stated that the Supreme Catatonic was built by an ancient, long-dead technologically advanced civilization, right? It would also seem that the Ginzu sword was forged by this same civilization, due to there being a connection between the two items (the Catatonic was first unlocked by physical contact between the sword and the statue it resides in, and each time after that, it's summoned by a light or signal of some kind from the sword's hilt). This Great Warrior seems to know quite a bit about both of them. As Speedy and Bad Bird ascended in the Catatonic to confront the incoming comet, he appeared on the screen and told Speedy to use the Ginzu sword (showing yet another connection between the sword and the Catatonic, as the robot produced a set of swords of its own and was able to use the Cat's Eye Slash technique).

Going by his apparent knowledge of these ancient technologies, as well as his apparently mechanical nature, my guess would be that the "Great Warrior" is actually the conciousness of a member of the extinct civilization that created the Ginzu sword and the Catatonic, preserved through some technological means. A "cyber-ghost", so to speak.

I'd like to thank you for pointing out the relationship between the Ginzu, Catatonic and Great Warrior. I totally forgot about another part of my theory. The Great Warrior was a member a civilization of animaloids who tried to be more human than animal. There downfall, like the humans, was ever escalating war. But unlike the humans they didn't simply NUKE themselves to extinction. Their demise came in a Great War like no other. Imagine a battlefield filled with legions of Supreme Catatonics. Meanwhile, at their feet, grand armies are lead by samurai generals just like the "Great Warrior" and every warrior under their command wielding Ginzu swords.

[Daisensei]

It's good to see this topic is going well. My intention was to make a place where we could freely discuss about the history of SPC/KNT universe. I'm seeing more than this, this discussion is expanding the series universe. Who knows if that could result in a fan fiction?

I like Mechadon's theories, they make sense. I accept the idea that animaloids resulted from the evolution of living matter and man made robots. However this don't force me to believe in the existence of an organic (i.e. cell based) part in the animaloid's body. One possible scenery is men replacing their body parts by more powerful cybernetic parts, to get longer life. Otherwise, people wishes to live longer, but don't wish to loose their humanity completely. That's the reason for the remaining of habits like eating, laughing, loving, angering, and so on. Therefore, animaloids are living beings with very resistant bodies (made with metals, polymers, ceramics and other materials) which can mimic all the functions performed by organic cells.

Now imagine what would result from an people with very enhanced body. Sooner or later a very destructive war would begin, as depicted by Mechadon.

[Emerald Chaos]

OK So we've proved that the Ginzu Sword and Supreme Catatonic have connections but what about Guido and Polly's swords.

I read in a different topic that they have similar names to the Youtou Masamasa and that their finishing moves have Hisstatsu in them too. So they must be connected to the Masamasa and in turn connected to the Catatonic in some way

[felineki]

Polly's and Guido's swords do indeed have similar names. Polly's is "Bitou (Beautiful Sword) Kirakira", and Guido's is "Koutou (Bright/Luminous Sword) Pikapika". Both "Pikapika" and "Kirakira" mean somtheing along the lines of "to glisten or sparkle". And they are both indeed used for their respective wielders' "Hissatsu" techniques, the "Heart Breaker", and "Ichimonji Fire (Straight Line Fire)". Simply going by these similarities in nature, I would say it is likely that they were indeed forged by the same people who created the Ginzu/Masamasa and the Catatonic/Nyagoking.

In one episode, when Speedy was banished to Prisoner Island, Polly and Guido were somehow able to summon their power-up armor from the Catatonic without him. Perhaps their swords have the same ability to open the statue and summon the Catatonic as Speedy's Ginzu? It was never shown how exactly they managed to do that without Speedy and the Ginzu around, but the explanation above is the only one I can think of.

[Unleashedfreak]

Not many people probably noticed this but didja know that the Ginzo sheath wasn't always red.  In the first episode it was gold as well as red.  The only time you see it as gold is when he pulls the second sword out.  The rest of the time it is red.  But I guess the rest of the episodes it just stayed red.  Anyone have any idea why this is?

[Threaux]

Yep I knew that, one of the colorists must have made a mistake (not following color codes and model sheets) and it wasn't caught until it was too late. 

[Unleashedfreak]

Cool!

[adam808]

The Nyagoking, Kuroi Busho, and Masamasa might have been from an earlier era like the animaloid equivalent of the Warring States Period. Back then the daimyo were at war and perhaps one used the Nyagoking in battle. Like you said, maybe all Hans used one or more to fight. I'd like to see a prequel series showing the wars and the origin of their bakufu, perhaps showing the clans of Nyanki and Karakara back then.

[Blackcat]

OK So we've proved that the Ginzu Sword and Supreme Catatonic have connections but what about Guido and Polly's swords.

I read in a different topic that they have similar names to the Youtou Masamasa and that their finishing moves have Hisstatsu in them too. So they must be connected to the Masamasa and in turn connected to the Catatonic in some way

I think that as long as the "Black cat warrior" is around, the 3 main nyyaki will be able to summon the special armors and the catatonic no matter what.

But Im a fan of the idea that the catatonic was destroyed after "The big comet capter".

[Alistair Erie]

The Nyagoking, Kuroi Busho, and Masamasa might have been from an earlier era like the animaloid equivalent of the Warring States Period. Back then the daimyo were at war and perhaps one used the Nyagoking in battle. Like you said, maybe all Hans used one or more to fight. I'd like to see a prequel series showing the wars and the origin of their bakufu, perhaps showing the clans of Nyanki and Karakara back then.

In a prequel, we would get to see how Ko'on no Kami became the prime minister. 

[Emerald Chaos]

Does anyone know the name of that "mysterious guy" who appeared in BB Uncaged and Big Comet Capers. I wish they made a second series to explain things further.

[Daisensei]

The Nyagoking, Kuroi Busho, and Masamasa might have been from an earlier era like the animaloid equivalent of the Warring States Period. Back then the daimyo were at war and perhaps one used the Nyagoking in battle. Like you said, maybe all Hans used one or more to fight. I'd like to see a prequel series showing the wars and the origin of their bakufu, perhaps showing the clans of Nyanki and Karakara back then.

In a prequel, we would get to see how Ko'on no Kami became the prime minister. 

I guess Kitsunezuka family played a important role in the past, when Tokugawa family was fighting to get the power. Perhaps an ancestor of was an important vassal of Tokugawa army.

[D-Mac]

To start this topic, I want to make the following question:
How could get the leadership of the group? Moreover, how he got his Ginzu/Masamasa sword?

Hmm... come to think of it, I can remember for certain that there's an SPC episode where the Narrator says something about Speedy being given the sword by a great samurai master who was also a part-time sushi chef. Just not quite sure which episode it was.

Does anyone know the name of that "mysterious guy" who appeared in BB Uncaged and Big Comet Capers. I wish they made a second series to explain things further.

He's generally been referred to things such as "The Catatonic Guardian/Spirit" or "The Great Warrior" in SPC.
Sadly, very few, if any specifics are given beyond that, to my knowledge.